Ven's Armor, since it failed to protect Sora.

 

Why bother having the Armor there at all, then, Nomura?

It was supposed to, doesn't mean that it did a good job at it.

 

Besides, Riku is so OP in DDD, of course the armor couldn't stand up to him; nothing could.

It was supposed to, doesn't mean that it did a good job at it.

 

Lazy writing, then.

Lazy writing, then.

 

Agreed. That's true of most of DDD, really.

Ven's Armor, since it failed to protect Sora. Why bother having the Armor there at all, then, Nomura?

Lol. Are you that director that doesn't exist? that's funny! But yeah. I think it was supposed to work but didn'tJust like in kid Icarus uprising SPOILERS FOR KID ICARUS UPRISING AHEAD!!!!The three sacred treasures didn't work

Because nothing is 100% perfect.  I mean how realistic would it be if everything worked all the time? 

the Armour protected Sora's heart from being instantly consumed by darkness

mostly by absorbing the darkness itself

The armor had a few purposes :

 

1- to prevent Sora from being completely consumed in darkness giving Riku a chance at recovering him 

 

2- It showed how much progress Ven's heart is in starting to 'wake up'

 

3- Gameplay. Nomura wanted another fight so the ending wouldn't be too anti-climatic :

• Riku really rose to the occasion, especially in the final battle, shouting lines like, “Still there?”

As tension leading to the end of the story, I steadily added bosses that weren’t originally planned since it’d feel anticlimactic without a battle. As I was making progress writing the scenarios, I called the Osaka development team and asked if they could add more. The battle with the armor after the last dive was one that they added for me, I didn’t think it’d be clearly understood without a fight sequence.

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

WTF, so everything in fiction has to work all the time? Why bother putting the main characters in danger if they can't be touched at all by the bad guys? Seriously... And besides the armor did what it intended to do, to protect Sora's heart for being consumed by darkness, but by doing it it ended being consumed itself by it, so instead of protecting him completely it made the process take more time for him to be lost, time that was enough for Riku to clear it for good.

the Armour protected Sora's heart from being instantly consumed by darkness

mostly by absorbing the darkness itself

 

The armor had a few purposes :

 

1- to prevent Sora from being completely consumed in darkness giving Riku a chance at recovering him 

 

Yeah, but even if Sora's heart was consumed by darkness, Kairi could just hug him or whatever and he'd be fine. It's happened before.

WTF, so everything in fiction has to work all the time?

 

Good fiction does, yes.

Yeah, but even if Sora's heart was consumed by darkness, Kairi could just hug him or whatever and he'd be fine. It's happened before.

 

Good fiction does, yes.

 

Yeah because Kairi was right there to do it... Kairi managed to do it before because she got there in time, if she took longer Sora would've been completely lost and nothing she could do to save him.

 

And no, bad fiction, good fiction lets the good guys be in danger from time to time, bad fictions makes the good guys always win at ease with no danger at all.

Yeah, but even if Sora's heart was consumed by darkness, Kairi could just hug him or whatever and he'd be fine. It's happened before.

 

Good fiction does, yes.

 

This isn't the same situation.He wasn't a heartless. His heart was lost in a deep deep sleep swallowed in darkness

The armor had a few purposes :

 

1- to prevent Sora from being completely consumed in darkness giving Riku a chance at recovering him 

 

2- It showed how much progress Ven's heart is in starting to 'waking up'

 

3- Gameplay. Nomura wanted another fight so the ending wouldn't be too anti-climatic :

• Riku really rose to the occasion, especially in the final battle, shouting lines like, “Still there?”

As tension leading to the end of the story, I steadily added bosses that weren’t originally planned since it’d feel anticlimactic without a battle. As I was making progress writing the scenarios, I called the Osaka development team and asked if they could add more. The battle with the armor after the last dive was one that they added for me, I didn’t think it’d be clearly understood without a fight sequence.

 

Great... except the fight would've been no different without the Armor; Riku would've beaten Nightmare!Sora and restored him to normal anyway.

 

All it accomplished was kicking Ven while he was already down (as Aizen MX had already revealed that TAV sacrificed themselves for nothing) and kneecapping his hero credibility.

 

Just another Diablous Ex Machina in favor of Madara MX.

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by Alan Smithee

Great... except the fight would've been no different without the Armor; Riku would've beaten Nightmare!Sora and restored him to normal anyway.

 

All it accomplished was kicking Ven while he was already down (as MX had already revealed that TAV sacrificed themselves for nothing) and kneecapping his hero credibility.

 

Ven wasn't fighting, he summoned his armor to protect Sora, and it did just that, it just ended up being consumed by darkness instead of Sora, thus providing the time needed for Riku to defeat it and save Sora for good, if Sora ended up being consumed there was nothing Riku could've done to save him other then destroy him completely.

Great... except the fight would've been no different without the Armor; Riku would've beaten Nightmare!Sora and restored him to normal anyway.

 

All it accomplished was kicking Ven while he was already down (as MX had already revealed that TAV sacrificed themselves for nothing) and kneecapping his hero credibility.

 

It didn't really kick Ven. Ven's heart has been slowly waking up since Roxas awakened Ven's keyblade. Since Sora has done so much for him it's only natural Ven would attempt to help him. Look at how Ven smiled in CO in the end of DDD.It's symbolic and served a storyline purpose to use Ven's armor.

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

Ven's Armor was doing what it was supposed to do. It was supposed to protect Sora and it did, however the armor got consumed by the darkness. Come on what do you really expect? You want Ventus just stay there and watch Sora being consumed by darkness? Sora gave Ven's heart a home to sleep until the day Sora will give Ventus heart back so of course Ventus would help a friend in need. However what I really what to know is where Roxas and Xion's heart? Why was only Ventus heart there to protect Sora from darkness but not Roxas and Xion's heart?

1. Not every plan in a story has to work thoroughly, ya know?

 

2. The Armour did at least one thing- kept him from losing his heart again.

 

3. If that's the only thing you thought was questionable in the DDD story, I seriously applaud you!

Because if it actually worked, Riku wouldn't have gotten his last awesome boss fight and the ending of DDD would be boring as hell.

Edited January 21, 201510 yr by Firaga Sensei

I thought the armor did protect Sora and that the armor itself just got corrupted in the process.

3. If that's the only thing you thought was questionable in the DDD story, I seriously applaud you!

 

It wasn't, trust me.

Yeah, but even if Sora's heart was consumed by darkness, Kairi could just hug him or whatever and he'd be fine. It's happened before.

 

Good fiction does, yes.

if that manifested as Sora becoming a Heartless, sure

but it wouldn't

this was the kind of darkness that worked on Terra so Xehanort could possess him

Unless you think Kairi could just hug him and everything would work out there too

I personally doubt it's an ability Kairi can use on a whim though

 

... in good fiction everything always works? What kind of weird fictions are you reading?

the Armour protected Sora's heart from being instantly consumed by darkness

mostly by absorbing the darkness itself

 

 

The armor had a few purposes :

 

1- to prevent Sora from being completely consumed in darkness giving Riku a chance at recovering him 

 

2- It showed how much progress Ven's heart is in starting to 'wake up'

 

3- Gameplay. Nomura wanted another fight so the ending wouldn't be too anti-climatic :

• Riku really rose to the occasion, especially in the final battle, shouting lines like, “Still there?”

As tension leading to the end of the story, I steadily added bosses that weren’t originally planned since it’d feel anticlimactic without a battle. As I was making progress writing the scenarios, I called the Osaka development team and asked if they could add more. The battle with the armor after the last dive was one that they added for me, I didn’t think it’d be clearly understood without a fight sequence.

These Ven's Armor did exactly what it was supposed to do protect which was Sora from the darkness. If it wasn't for Ven's intervention Sora might have been either permanently damaged or he might have turned into a Heartless again. The aftermath of the Nightmare Armor was proof enough to show that it took the brunt of the darkness damage.

These Ven's Armor did exactly what it was supposed to do protect which was Sora from the darkness. If it wasn't for Ven's intervention Sora might have been either permanently damaged or he might have turned into a Heartless again. The aftermath of the Nightmare Armor was proof enough to show that it took the brunt of the darkness damage.

more than turn into a heartless, it's likely that his heart would have been destroyed

Consider that Terra used his armour to take the brunt of Xehanort's attack at the end of BBS. While it didn't save Terra, the armour itself wasn't corrupted. By comparison, this darkness overwhelmed the armour's protective properties

so this is some pretty powerful darkness

more than turn into a heartless, it's likely that his heart would have been destroyed

Consider that Terra used his armour to take the brunt of Xehanort's attack at the end of BBS. While it didn't save Terra, the armour itself wasn't corrupted. By comparison, this darkness overwhelmed the armour's protective properties

so this is some pretty powerful darkness

I agree to a point we have no way of knowing what would have happened if Ventus hadn't intervened. That's why I put up the two possibilities as it would all come down to how strong Sora's heart really is.

if that manifested as Sora becoming a Heartless, sure

but it wouldn't

this was the kind of darkness that worked on Terra so Xehanort could possess him

Unless you think Kairi could just hug him and everything would work out there too

I personally doubt it's an ability Kairi can use on a whim though

 

... in good fiction everything always works? What kind of weird fictions are you reading?

 

I'm hoping you're not seriously expecting me to name every good piece of fiction that makes consistent sense; suffice to say, most of them are classics, and they're classics for a reason. Kingdom Hearts is an absurd anomaly with how badly the story works, not the average rule.

 

Also never doubt the vague ill-defined powers of a Princess of Heart. The writers would absolutely make up some bullshit power for Kairi if they had to, they just chose to make up some bullshit power for Ventus' armor instead, and only because they got a cool boss fight out of it.

I'm hoping you're not seriously expecting me to name every good piece of fiction that makes consistent sense; suffice to say, most of them are classics, and they're classics for a reason. Kingdom Hearts is an absurd anomaly with how badly the story works, not the average rule.

 

Also never doubt the vague ill-defined powers of a Princess of Heart. The writers would absolutely make up some bullshit power for Kairi if they had to, they just chose to make up some bullshit power for Ventus' armor instead, and only because they got a cool boss fight out of it.

you've misunderstood what you're replying to

the person was talking about something within the context of the story itself. They were saying everything within a work of fiction doesn't have to work. In this case, the keyblade armour doesn't have to work as planned without a hitch

and if you think KH is an anomaly... you must not have exposed yourself to many works of fiction. I may riff on KH a lot, but for the density of its plot, it's really quite impressive it holds together like it does. Much simpler stories have had far more plot holes.

On your final point, yet, you're right that they can make up whatever they want, that's their right as writer. It's not about what happens. We know the bad gys lose, we know Sora wins. We can be reasonably sure there'll be some sort of sacrifice made. It's all about the steps we take to get there, and how they're executed. and with KH, there's pretty much a fifty fifty split on good and bad execution