So I was thinking, we all saw that Master Xehanort was reassembled in 3D and the one question on everyone mind was, why Master Xehanort? Why not Apprentice Xehanort? And I have a theory: What if when Ansem and Xemnas where defeated, Terra and Xehanort's hearts where somehow separated and each returned to their original bodies, restoring both Master Xehanort and Terra in the present day? The problem with this of course is the lack of proof that Master Xehanort's original body ever became a Nobody. There are those ominous quotes about "many roads" and "something left behind" that may allude to an, as of yet unknown, Nobody of Master Xehanrt's though even if such an entity exists it has yet to be discovered, much less defeated, rendering complete restoration impossible.But if this where the case it would mean that Terra is already out there somewhere, searching for answers as to what happened to Ven and Aqua (as it is unlikely he remembers anything from his time under Xehanort's thrall)

 

So, there you have it, a baseless theory with no supporting evidence and a ton of holes. Have fun tearing it apart.

 

P.S. Sorry if this is in the wrong place. It just seems lie KH3 woudl be the only game significantly affected by this theory.

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

It's something I haven't thought about before. It would make a lot of sense, since this is Nomura logic. He may have already been returned, we can only wait till Kingdom Hearts 3 comes out in 500 years from now.

It is a logical theory to assume that he would be returned and restored.  The only thing is that MX claimed that he had Sora and another of Mickey's ranks in his own.  Unless there is someone else within the 13 darknesses that is supposed to be a guardian of light, it would have to be Terra that MX is referring to.

It is a logical theory to assume that he would be returned and restored.  The only thing is that MX claimed that he had Sora and another of Mickey's ranks in his own.  Unless there is someone else within the 13 darknesses that is supposed to be a guardian of light, it would have to be Terra that MX is referring to.

But remember, Young Xehanort was going through time collecting different incarnations of himself. The Terra Master Xehanort is referring to could be from the past. If there are 13 Xehanorts, 4 Soras, (9 if you count Ven, Vanitas, and the Data versions of Sora, Roxas and Namine) 3 Vens (4 if you count Data-Roxas) 2 Rikus (3 if you count Data-Riku) and 2 Kairis, (3 if you count Data-Namine) There can be 2 Terras.

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Since this was a special case dealing with two people I think they did go back to their original bodies and were restored. However, since nobodies can grow hearts one could say Xemnas did or started to and when Terra was restored he was automatically 'norted' with Xemnas's newly growing heart bc it stayed in Terra's body which was also Xemnas' body...Thus making Terra still under MX's control as a vessel.We don't know what happened to MX's body when he transferred his heart but it's definitely possible it went where other nobodies go when they are destroyed awaiting to be restored with their hearts.

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

Since this was a special case dealing with two people I think they did go back to their original bodies and were restored. However, since nobodies can grow hearts one could say Xemnas did or started to and when Terra was restored he was automatically 'norted' with Xemnas's newly growing heart bc it stayed in Terra's body which was also Xemnas' body...Thus making Terra still under MX's control as a vessel.We don't know what happened to MX's body when he transferred his heart but it's definitely possible it went where other nobodies go when they are destroyed awaiting to be restored with their hearts.

Aww. I was hoping Terra was Terra

Aww. I was hoping Terra was Terra

 

I want Terra saved too but it looks like he will need help for this

Actually, I think that the MX we see in the Dream Realm is merely an illusion. True, Master Xehanort's personality is the dominant one, and maybe that's why we see HIS body in DDD. In the Dream Realm, everything is figurative and based on emotions, so it makes sense we'd see the actual man instead of the body he's decided to take. But in the 'real' world, he really IS just Terranort again, but with Xehanort in control. Maybe Terra's heart is floating out there somewhere, but I think Xehanort still has control of his body and when he's defeated, Terra's heart will return just like Riku's did in KHI.

 

Not to mention, but It'd save Nomura from having to recast Master Xehanort if he really is just Terranort again.

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Kaweebo

Actually, I think that the MX we see in the Dream Realm is merely an illusion. True, Master Xehanort's personality is the dominant one, and maybe that's why we see HIS body in DDD. In the Dream Realm, everything is figurative and based on emotions, so it makes sense we'd see the actual man instead of the body he's decided to take. But in the 'real' world, he really IS just Terranort again, but with Xehanort in control.

 

Not to mention, but It'd save Nomura from having to recast Master Xehanort if he really is just Terranort again.

Except that The World That Never Was was the real world, not a Sleeping World. At least the one Master Xehanort appears in is.

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Except that The World That Never Was was the real world, not a Sleeping World. At least the one Master Xehanort appears in is.

Honestly, that whole part of the game is really fuzzy to me, but then why did Riku say he was still in the Dream Realm? How can they be in the 'real' world if both of them look like their DDD selves? It doesn't add up to me. Plus, if you remember, the world is trapped in a bubble, just like the other dream worlds. 

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Kaweebo

Honestly, that whole part of the game is really fuzzy to me, but then why did Riku say he was still in the Dream Realm? How can they be in the 'real' world if both of them look like their DDD selves? It doesn't add up to me. Plus, if you remember, the world is trapped in a bubble, just like the other dream worlds. 

Because he was in Sora's dream at the time. After defeating the Anti-Black Coat he was taken out of the Sleeping Worlds and into the real world but still had his Dream Eater powers because Sora was still asleep.

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Because he was in Sora's dream at the time. After defeating the Anti-Black Coat he was taken out of the Sleeping Worlds and into the real world but still had his Dream Eater powers because Sora was still asleep.

idk, I still think there's too many variables going on. And that still doesn't explain why it looks like the other worlds. If Sora isn't in the Realm of Sleep anymore, then he shouldn't look like he is, either. 

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Kaweebo

idk, I still think there's too many variables going on. And that still doesn't explain why it looks like the other worlds. If Sora isn't in the Realm of Sleep anymore, then he shouldn't look like he is, either. 

Sora's and Riku's forms are the result of them inhabiting their past bodies and the clothes are a gift from Yen Sid. They have nothing to do with being in the Sleeping Worlds. Remember, they where in their younger bodies when they where on the Destiny Islands in the beginning too but that wasn't a Sleeping World either.Rules number 1 and 2 of Time Travel: you must leave your body behind and there bust be a version of you waiting at your destination. 

Basically when you time travel, Your heart leaves your current body and travels to the body you had or will have at your destination, in this case Sora's 15 year old heart is inside is 14 year old body.

Edited April 11, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Sora's and Riku's forms are the result of them inhabiting their past bodies and the clothes are a gift from Yen Sid. They have nothing to do with being in the Sleeping Worlds. Remember, they where in their younger bodies when they where on the Destiny Islands in the beginning too but that wasn't a Sleeping World either.

 

Rules number 1 and 2 of Time Travel: you must leave your body behind and there bust be a version of you waiting at your destination.

 

Basically when you time travel, Your heart leaves your current body and travels to the body you had or will have at your destination, in this case Sora's 15 year old heart is inside is 14 year old body.

 

Because he was in Sora's dream at the time. After defeating the Anti-Black Coat he was taken out of the Sleeping Worlds and into the real world but still had his Dream Eater powers because Sora was still asleep.

 

Honestly, that whole part of the game is really fuzzy to me, but then why did Riku say he was still in the Dream Realm? How can they be in the 'real' world if both of them look like their DDD selves? It doesn't add up to me. Plus, if you remember, the world is trapped in a bubble, just like the other dream worlds. 

 

 

this interview I posted yesterday in another thread answers a lot of these comments/ questions..TWTNW is an inbetween world and exists both in reality and in sleep.

 

Posted Yesterday, 07:35 PM

Actually no- Yen Sid straight up sent them back in time - bodies and all....It's why they were able to attempt to use Sora's body as a vessel in the first place- they needed his body not his heart for a vessel ...They don't make it clear in the game but in the interviews they give it away. Example: When they arrive in TWTNW:

 

— I want to ask more about the World That Never Was. Is that world a part of reality? Or is also a world of sleep?

Nomura: When that world’s logo appears, it indicates the boundary between the dream and reality. When Sora arrives, it’s reality and then goes into a world of sleep. Riku arrives in the sleeping world, and as you progress and the world logo appears, that’s when it becomes reality.

— When both of them are in the reality parts, they don’t return to their original bodies. Why is that?

Nomura: It’s because of Yen Sid’s magic that they’ve taken their old forms. If they didn’t return to Yen Sid’s place, their bodies wouldn’t return back to normal. Incidentally, their new outfits were thanks to Yen Sid’s magic as Sora suspected.

 

In the latter half of The World That Never Was, despite returning to the real world, why do Sora and co. stay in that form and why do Dream Eaters appear etc?

Nomura: Sora and co.’s form is due to Yen Sid’s magic, so the way it works is that they can’t turn back until they return to the Mysterious Tower, and Dream Eaters were appearing because Sora was still asleep. Also, ever since Organisation XIII was defeated in KH2, the The World That Never Was’ existence as a world has become uncertain. In the first place, the worlds in the rift between darkness and light have different rules than other worlds. The Mysterious Tower isn’t always standing in a fixed place. Traverse Town too reforms its shape every time, which is why the version that appears in this title is clearly different than the version in KH1.

 

Sora arrives awake while leaving asleep. Riku arrives asleep but leaves awake.This just proves they were actually physically present. Yen Sid just used a different method of time travel than Xehanort did just being who he is -a wizard...Just like Timeless River is another different form of time travel used. Yen Sid cast magic that gave them new clothes and a younger body so that they could relearn to use the keyblade the 'proper way" from scratch ( instead of them using their self taught way)

 

 

Also take a look at Ultima Rob's post after mine that also backs up what I'm saying since he posted the videos that directly talk about this.

 

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/85888-ddd/

 

Edited April 12, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

 

this interview I posted yesterday in another thread answers a lot of these comments/ questions..TWTNW is an inbetween world and exists both in reality and in sleep.

 

Posted Yesterday, 07:35 PM

Actually no- Yen Sid straight up sent them back in time - bodies and all....It's why they were able to attempt to use Sora's body as a vessel in the first place- they needed his body not his heart for a vessel ...They don't make it clear in the game but in the interviews they give it away. Example: When they arrive in TWTNW:

 

— I want to ask more about the World That Never Was. Is that world a part of reality? Or is also a world of sleep?

Nomura: When that world’s logo appears, it indicates the boundary between the dream and reality. When Sora arrives, it’s reality and then goes into a world of sleep. Riku arrives in the sleeping world, and as you progress and the world logo appears, that’s when it becomes reality.

— When both of them are in the reality parts, they don’t return to their original bodies. Why is that?

Nomura: It’s because of Yen Sid’s magic that they’ve taken their old forms. If they didn’t return to Yen Sid’s place, their bodies wouldn’t return back to normal. Incidentally, their new outfits were thanks to Yen Sid’s magic as Sora suspected.

 

In the latter half of The World That Never Was, despite returning to the real world, why do Sora and co. stay in that form and why do Dream Eaters appear etc?

Nomura: Sora and co.’s form is due to Yen Sid’s magic, so the way it works is that they can’t turn back until they return to the Mysterious Tower, and Dream Eaters were appearing because Sora was still asleep. Also, ever since Organisation XIII was defeated in KH2, the The World That Never Was’ existence as a world has become uncertain. In the first place, the worlds in the rift between darkness and light have different rules than other worlds. The Mysterious Tower isn’t always standing in a fixed place. Traverse Town too reforms its shape every time, which is why the version that appears in this title is clearly different than the version in KH1.

 

Sora arrives awake while leaving asleep. Riku arrives asleep but leaves awake.This just proves they were actually physically present. Yen Sid just used a different method of time travel than Xehanort did just being who he is -a wizard...Just like Timeless River is another different form of time travel used. Yen Sid cast magic that gave them new clothes and a younger body so that they could relearn to use the keyblade the 'proper way" from scratch ( instead of them using their self taught way)

 

 

Also take a look at Ultima Rob's post after mine that also backs up what I'm saying since he posted the videos that directly talk about this.

 

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/85888-ddd/

 

 

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. But the point remains, them being younger is not tied to the Sleeping Worlds.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. But the point remains, them being younger is not tied to the Sleeping Worlds.

 

No problem and yes it's bc of Yen Sid

Okay so here's my take on why it's Oldy McOldNort instead of Terranort

Remember how when Ansem possessed Riku, Riku's body eventually took on Ansem's form?  I think that's what basically happened.

 

When Xehanort first took control of Terra, he gained the Terranort look with the silvery hair and gold eyes.  He took on some of Xehanort's characteristics but Terra was still fighting back at this point.

Then Xehanort decided that was getting annoying and stabbed himself with his keyblade and lost his memories we think.  So now their identity is in a bit of confusion (assuming it wasn't all faked because- crap idk).  Xehanort's personality does seem to be the more dominate one from this point on but some of Terra's seems to show at times as Xemnas.

 

But now they have reformed and the possible issue with their memory is gone.  In Blank Points Xehanort told Terra that his heart will be forever eclipsed by his.  And if that really is the case that would explain why Master Xehanort looks like himself if he's still in Terra's body.  It's just another case of the heart changing a person's appearance.

Edited April 12, 201510 yr by khoathkeeper13

Okay so here's my take on why it's Oldy McOldNort instead of Terranort

Remember how when Ansem possessed Riku, Riku's body eventually took on Ansem's form?  I think that's what basically happened.

 

When Xehanort first took control of Terra, he gained the Terranort look with the silvery hair and gold eyes.  He took on some of Xehanort's characteristics but Terra was still fighting back at this point.

Then Xehanort decided that was getting annoying and stabbed himself with his keyblade and lost his memories we think.  So now their identity is in a bit of confusion (assuming it wasn't all faked because- crap idk).  Xehanort's personality does seem to be the more dominate one from this point on but some of Terra's seems to show at times as Xemnas.

 

But now they have reformed and the possible issue with their memory is gone.  In Blank Points Xehanort told Terra that his heart will be forever eclipsed by his.  And if that really is the case that would explain why Master Xehanort looks like himself if he's still in Terra's body.  It's just another case of the heart changing a person's appearance.

 

That's what I had originally thought happened bc the heart shapes the vessel but I have this awesome new theory and I'm gonna run with it .. Either one is definitely possible and the mystery of Terra continues lol.

Edited April 12, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

but is that him from the past maybe

Okay so here's my take on why it's Oldy McOldNort instead of Terranort

Remember how when Ansem possessed Riku, Riku's body eventually took on Ansem's form?  I think that's what basically happened.

 

When Xehanort first took control of Terra, he gained the Terranort look with the silvery hair and gold eyes.  He took on some of Xehanort's characteristics but Terra was still fighting back at this point.

Then Xehanort decided that was getting annoying and stabbed himself with his keyblade and lost his memories we think.  So now their identity is in a bit of confusion (assuming it wasn't all faked because- crap idk).  Xehanort's personality does seem to be the more dominate one from this point on but some of Terra's seems to show at times as Xemnas.

 

But now they have reformed and the possible issue with their memory is gone.  In Blank Points Xehanort told Terra that his heart will be forever eclipsed by his.  And if that really is the case that would explain why Master Xehanort looks like himself if he's still in Terra's body.  It's just another case of the heart changing a person's appearance.

I also considered that. Although I think the only instance where somebody literally changes their bodily form is in KHI (MX forcing his heart into Terra's is another matter entirely), it should still be possible. I'll run with this until KHIII comes out, or if someone posts a better theory, I guess.  

just gonna pop in to say that Terra being restored as himself would be a very underwhelming pay off after we had an entire game about him being possessed by Xehanort

just gonna pop in to say that Terra being restored as himself would be a very underwhelming pay off after we had an entire game about him being possessed by Xehanort

Yeah but that was only part of the game. It also explores Sora's dual-wielding capability, how Kairi ended up on the islands and Xehanorts main plan. Terra isn't even really the true main character of BbS, Aqua is. Nomura considers BbS to be primarily her story, Just as 3D is primarily Riku's that's why she has 3x as many chapters as the other two.

Edited April 13, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Yeah but that was only part of the game. It also explores Sora's dual-wielding capability, how Kairi ended up on the islands and Xehanorts main plan. Terra isn't even really the true main character of BbS, Aqua is. Nomura considers BbS to be primarily her story, Just as 3D is primarily Riku's that's why she has 3x as many chapters as the other two.

Sora's dual wielding is barely touched on, and hardly a notable plot point compared to Terranort. Even if Aqua is the main character, Terra and Xehanort are the focal point of the story.

just gonna pop in to say that Terra being restored as himself would be a very underwhelming pay off after we had an entire game about him being possessed by Xehanort

 

However, him still being Terranort would also be very underwhelming, as he's also "possessed" by Eraqus (and therefore his Light).

 

Pointless MacGuffin would be pointless.

However, him still being Terranort would also be very underwhelming, as he's also "possessed" by Eraqus (and therefore his Light).

 

Pointless MacGuffin would be pointless.

You act like KH isn't full of pointless MacGuffins already.

 

Flaming Lea has a theory that Terra was restored, but is still Norted because he's harboring whatever heart Xemans may have begun to develop. Seems like a decent middle ground.

Edited April 13, 201510 yr by Isamu_Kuno

However, him still being Terranort would also be very underwhelming, as he's also "possessed" by Eraqus (and therefore his Light).

 

Pointless MacGuffin would be pointless.

that's not really what I'd call "underwhelming" that's more "a plot point actually paying off"

 

 

You act like KH isn't full of pointless MacGuffins already.

Such as?