Exiblade7 1,917 Posted December 12, 2015 I just don't understand the reasoning why they think it's overrated. Not trying to opinionate anybody here, but still... it's been bothering me for quite a while now, especially since it is my second favorite zelda game. Some people like me just like games that are more linear. Also, I'm NOT a Minda fan. I like the game for it being the game. I like it for having an emotional simple story as well and as a game that I grew up with back in 06. Not every game has to be big in order to be fun or enjoyable. 2 Felixx and Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Felixx 6,646 Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) I love Twilight Princess, it's also my second favorite Zelda game along with Majoras Mask (probably because they're the more darker games in the Zelda series). And I don't think it's overrated at all, it's a great game But when something is successsful like TP, then there will always be people who say it's overrated, nothing you can do there. Edited December 12, 2015 by Felixx 3 Exiblade7, Isaix and Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted December 12, 2015 I actually think it's underrated 2 Exiblade7 and Felixx reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Setrex 1,031 Posted December 12, 2015 This is the first time I'm hearing that it is overrated. Maybe people are suddenly saying it because there is a HD remaster around the corner and they don't see why it is getting special treatment. I dunno. I never played Twilight Princess all the way through, but I know a few people who do like it and it seems that it is quite underrated if anything. 2 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) and Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elrandir 783 Posted December 12, 2015 This is the first time I hear that. Twilight Princess is a great game and my second favorite Zelda game. 1 Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Winds 2,576 Posted December 12, 2015 Most people who think it, think it because they played it and found it a little on the downside. I personally can't really stand Twilight Princess and anytime I hear about it from anyone, it's the whole it looks good, why can't other Zelda titles look like it; I sure hope the next Zelda looks like it. It's never about the gameplay or the story, or the characters even. It's literally just about how it looks. Makes you wonder how one can find TP to be overrated, huh? 1 Shulk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minato arisato 253 Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) While the story is to my liking or even interesting from the series, i only like wind waker out of the modern games as the others really hold your hand while also requiring only a certain item out of the dungeons to proceed in them. Wind waker also has my favorite incarnation of link due to his little quirks. so when i compare them i wouldn't enjoyment out of it. Twilight Princess isn't something i'd rave about but it has its merits. Edited December 12, 2015 by Minato arisato 1 Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Setrex 1,031 Posted December 12, 2015 Most people who think it, think it because they played it and found it a little on the downside. I personally can't really stand Twilight Princess and anytime I hear about it from anyone, it's the whole it looks good, why can't other Zelda titles look like it; I sure hope the next Zelda looks like it. It's never about the gameplay or the story, or the characters even. It's literally just about how it looks. Makes you wonder how one can find TP to be overrated, huh? I think one of the great things about the Zelda series is how visually different each entry is from one another. I do agree with you on the point that people were a little obsessive when it came to Twilight Princess' visuals, but it only came about because the "hardcore" audience bitched about Wind Waker. Much like the visual argument the same can be said for the gameplay, story or even characters, they are all completely opinion based. Each entry in the Zelda series has its pros and cons. For every person who hates the graphics in Wind Waker there's probably someone who thinks Zelda II was actually good. For every person who adores Midna there's easily someone blinded by nostalgia who finds Ocarina of Time to be the best in the series. The matter of the fact is that there is rarely a bad mainline Zelda game and I think Zelda fans are really lucky in that regard. Sure something can not be to your tastes, but there is no universally accepted main game in the series that is panned beyond belief. If you dislike Twilight Princess then that is perfectly fine. Much like if someone loves the visual aspect to the game, there is no reason to not want more of it. Many were butthurt over Zelda Wii U not having the visuals of that tech demo a few years ago and it seems like history will repeat itself in the same vein as Wind Waker. Which if that is the case, then man the new Zelda game will be a delight for the fans! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 12, 2015 Cause it's not Ocarina of Time. Anything that isn't Ocarina of Time is automatically weak in comparison according to "true" Zelda fans. Lol. X)" 1 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shulk 8,623 Posted December 12, 2015 I personally didn't like it because it felt like its main focus was catering to the dark, edgy, "hardcore" audience. I can't really stand games that are dark for the sake of being dark, so I couldn't get into it. I also thought Wolf Link was just annoying, to be honest. The fact that people constantly call it the greatest game in all existence, and how you must be absolutely insane if you don't agree contributes to the overrated factor. Cause it's not Ocarina of Time. Anything that isn't Ocarina of Time is automatically weak in comparison according to "true" Zelda fans. Lol. X)" I found both TP and OoT to not match up to the insane hype fans gave them, so that's not the only reason. Most people who think it, think it because they played it and found it a little on the downside. I personally can't really stand Twilight Princess and anytime I hear about it from anyone, it's the whole it looks good, why can't other Zelda titles look like it; I sure hope the next Zelda looks like it. It's never about the gameplay or the story, or the characters even. It's literally just about how it looks. Makes you wonder how one can find TP to be overrated, huh? Let's not forget how Zelda needs to be dark like Twilight Princess again, right? Every upcoming game just has to be Twilight Princess influenced or it's not as good. 1 Hero of Winds reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 12, 2015 I personally didn't like it because it felt like its main focus was catering to the dark, edgy, "hardcore" audience. I can't really stand games that are dark for the sake of being dark, so I couldn't get into it. I also thought Wolf Link was just annoying, to be honest. The fact that people constantly call it the greatest game in all existence, and how you must be absolutely insane if you don't agree contributes to the overrated factor. I found both TP and OoT to not match up to the insane hype fans gave them, so that's not the only reason. Let's not forget how Zelda needs to be dark like Twilight Princess again, right? Every upcoming game just has to be Twilight Princess influenced or it's not as good. Some of us like that. It's good to get some variety every once in a while, what with most of the portable and Toon Link inspired games being a bit lighter in tone. And I personally don't mind the dark elements if they are contrasted against brighter ones. Dark doesn't equal "edgy", it's just a flavor. If you prefer other flavors that's fine, but for many the hype IS real, at least for them and for me. 2 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) and Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shulk 8,623 Posted December 12, 2015 Some of us like that. It's good to get some variety every once in a while, what with most of the portable and Toon Link inspired games being a bit lighter in tone. And I personally don't mind the dark elements if they are contrasted against brighter ones. Dark doesn't equal "edgy", it's just a flavor. If you prefer other flavors that's fine, but for many the hype IS real, at least for them and for me. Dark certainly doesn't instantly make something edgy, but Twilight Princess gave that feeling. I'm fine with something dark when it doesn't take itself too seriously all the time, but that's how TP felt. Granted, I only played through the first dungeon, but it just wasn't my game. It's fine for people to have preferences. I love the light-hearted, bright journeys of Toon Link, and I also love Majora's Mask. It just gets annoying how Twilight Princess fans get so upset when people say they're not a fan of the game, or when they get mad at Zelda games that aren't quite as dark (As reactions to Zelda U showed). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 12, 2015 Dark certainly doesn't instantly make something edgy, but Twilight Princess gave that feeling. I'm fine with something dark when it doesn't take itself too seriously all the time, but that's how TP felt. Granted, I only played through the first dungeon, but it just wasn't my game. It's fine for people to have preferences. I love the light-hearted, bright journeys of Toon Link, and I also love Majora's Mask. It just gets annoying how Twilight Princess fans get so upset when people say they're not a fan of the game, or when they get mad at Zelda games that aren't quite as dark (As reactions to Zelda U showed). Oh, you never finished it then.......... ...ahem, well anyway. I guess if you can get a feeling for something like that after the first section or though that's fine I guess, but keep in mind that a lot of games have shifts in their tone. I mean, KH felt way different when you compare the Destiny Islands section to the rest of the story. If someone just gave up after Destiny Islands they would never know how the rest of the game feels, and it's certainly a shift in tone. Just keep that in mind. And it's not like it's just all dark and all the other games are "trying" to be that dark. If the dark MOMENTS in games like Skyward Sword are influenced by TP, then sure, that makes sense, and kudos to them because they still have a bright and uplifting atmosphere surrounding the dark moments so that when it does eventually get dark you feel that weight. No game since TP has ever been as consistently darker in tone as it was going for, so I don't think the argument that "every game since has been trying to be like TP" is a valid argument. It can inspire parts of a game, but ultimately the game is what it will make itself, and each one has been pretty creative and varied in tone since then as far as I'm concerned. And I'm sure Zelda U will be no exception. It looks bright and colorful now, but I'm sure there are a few dark twists and turns hidden beneath the grassy sunset surface. And it's because of that mystery and possibility of variety that I'm interested in. If a game can look this beautiful and imaginative in a bright and cheerful tone, imagine how haunting and ominous it can look and feel in a darker tone. The Zelda games have always had a nice shift between those, giving you pleasing visuals and moments without letting you forget the more looming threat that is approaching. Maybe you're a bit more turned off by a more consistent dark atmosphere that makes the contrast less noticable, but to many, including me, we found a charm that kept us playing beyond that first dungeon. If it helps bring any perspective into this, I also like Sonic Unleashed. Take that for what you will. 3 Terranort9406, Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) and Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shulk 8,623 Posted December 12, 2015 Oh, you never finished it then.......... ...ahem, well anyway. I guess if you can get a feeling for something like that after the first section or though that's fine I guess, but keep in mind that a lot of games have shifts in their tone. I mean, KH felt way different when you compare the Destiny Islands section to the rest of the story. If someone just gave up after Destiny Islands they would never know how the rest of the game feels, and it's certainly a shift in tone. Just keep that in mind. And it's not like it's just all dark and all the other games are "trying" to be that dark. If the dark MOMENTS in games like Skyward Sword are influenced by TP, then sure, that makes sense, and kudos to them because they still have a bright and uplifting atmosphere surrounding the dark moments so that when it does eventually get dark you feel that weight. No game since TP has ever been as consistently darker in tone as it was going for, so I don't think the argument that "every game since has been trying to be like TP" is a valid argument. It can inspire parts of a game, but ultimately the game is what it will make itself, and each one has been pretty creative and varied in tone since then as far as I'm concerned. And I'm sure Zelda U will be no exception. It looks bright and colorful now, but I'm sure there are a few dark twists and turns hidden beneath the grassy sunset surface. And it's because of that mystery and possibility of variety that I'm interested in. If a game can look this beautiful and imaginative in a bright and cheerful tone, imagine how haunting and ominous it can look and feel in a darker tone. The Zelda games have always had a nice shift between those, giving you pleasing visuals and moments without letting you forget the more looming threat that is approaching. Maybe you're a bit more turned off by a more consistent dark atmosphere that makes the contrast less noticable, but to many, including me, we found a charm that kept us playing beyond that first dungeon. If it helps bring any perspective into this, I also like Sonic Unleashed. Take that for what you will. I never said every game since has tried being as dark as TP... I have no clue where you're getting that from. As for why I stopped playing, it was a rental, so I couldn't really keep playing past that point. I just didn't find it interesting enough to rent again, and definitely not interesting enough for me to track down a copy and buy the game. I might try it again with the HD version, but I'd be waiting for it to be a lot cheaper than the usual $60 price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave 5,715 Posted December 12, 2015 The main reason I didn't like it is that the wolf modes felt like a huge hassle. There wasn't really enough added to playing as a wolf to make the sections particularly enjoyable, and having to wander through the levels first tracking down bugs before you got to explore proper felt like having to do your homework before getting to play the actual game. And as far as playing the game went, I felt like in spite of the world being large and the cities being impressive, there wasn't actually a whole lot there. Wind Waker, Majora's Mask, and Ocarina of Time all had a lot of side quests and mini games to take part in, but there never seemed like there was the same amount of content in Twilight Princess in spite of the extra size. I felt that the tools were underutilized in Twilight Princess. Some of them, like the gear and the ball and chain, were really cool, but you barely had any reason to use them outside of the dungeon you found them in. In regards to the game being "dark:" Having heavy shadow graphics, and more spooky looking monsters isn't dark. Having a moon threaten to crash into the world and dealing with a city full of people trying to cope with their own mortality, while the sounds of the bell haunt you wherever you go in order to remind you that the end is coming and there's nothing you can do about it, is dark. On the flip side, I do feel that the boss fights in Twilight Princess were some of the best in the series. 2 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) and Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Heartless Nobody 120 Posted December 12, 2015 Because most Zelda fans are impossible to please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exiblade7 1,917 Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) I personally didn't like it because it felt like its main focus was catering to the dark, edgy, "hardcore" audience. I can't really stand games that are dark for the sake of being dark, so I couldn't get into it. I also thought Wolf Link was just annoying, to be honest. The fact that people constantly call it the greatest game in all existence, and how you must be absolutely insane if you don't agree contributes to the overrated factor. I found both TP and OoT to not match up to the insane hype fans gave them, so that's not the only reason. Let's not forget how Zelda needs to be dark like Twilight Princess again, right? Every upcoming game just has to be Twilight Princess influenced or it's not as good. people are only asking for a dark zelda game again because Twilight Princess is the only realistic styled zelda game, so that's kinda understandable, to least to me. I, myself wanted zelda u to look like the tech demo, but when they finally showed it off last year I was disapointed that they didn't use the realistic looking visuals, but at the same time loved how bright and colorful Zelda U is. I don't mind if they zelda series has mostly cartoony styled zelda games, they are okay and their gameplay speaks up more then their visual appearance, but I think it would be awesome if nintendo listens to their fans again and makes a TP sequel on the NX(I know it's a little far off), but if the next zelda game for the NX does look cartoony like zelda u, I won't be complaining. Also, I could say the say thing people wanting every zelda game to be cartoony and if it isn't cartoony it's not as good. Most people who think it, think it because they played it and found it a little on the downside. I personally can't really stand Twilight Princess and anytime I hear about it from anyone, it's the whole it looks good, why can't other Zelda titles look like it; I sure hope the next Zelda looks like it. It's never about the gameplay or the story, or the characters even. It's literally just about how it looks. Makes you wonder how one can find TP to be overrated, huh? Is that REALLY the only thing you see in TP fans? you know, not all TP fans like the game JUST for the graphics. I, for one, don't like the game just for the graphics. I like it for the gameplay, story, and the music. Edited December 12, 2015 by Luke Fon Fabre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 13, 2015 I never said every game since has tried being as dark as TP... I have no clue where you're getting that from. As for why I stopped playing, it was a rental, so I couldn't really keep playing past that point. I just didn't find it interesting enough to rent again, and definitely not interesting enough for me to track down a copy and buy the game. I might try it again with the HD version, but I'd be waiting for it to be a lot cheaper than the usual $60 price. Dark certainly doesn't instantly make something edgy, but Twilight Princess gave that feeling. I'm fine with something dark when it doesn't take itself too seriously all the time, but that's how TP felt. Granted, I only played through the first dungeon, but it just wasn't my game. It's fine for people to have preferences. I love the light-hearted, bright journeys of Toon Link, and I also love Majora's Mask. It just gets annoying how Twilight Princess fans get so upset when people say they're not a fan of the game, or when they get mad at Zelda games that aren't quite as dark (As reactions to Zelda U showed). I personally didn't like it because it felt like its main focus was catering to the dark, edgy, "hardcore" audience. I can't really stand games that are dark for the sake of being dark, so I couldn't get into it. I also thought Wolf Link was just annoying, to be honest. The fact that people constantly call it the greatest game in all existence, and how you must be absolutely insane if you don't agree contributes to the overrated factor. I found both TP and OoT to not match up to the insane hype fans gave them, so that's not the only reason. Let's not forget how Zelda needs to be dark like Twilight Princess again, right? Every upcoming game just has to be Twilight Princess influenced or it's not as good. I believe THAT'S where I got that from. And I'm not as versed into the Zelda fandom, so I wouldn't know how praised TP is within there. All I know is that it's a fun game and I loved every second of it. Granted it's my first Zelda game that I played all the way through, but it certainly felt worth the price that I paid for it (I honestly can't remember what I bought it for, it was still while the Wii was still the main Nintendo console, so it must have still been full price). It didn't necessarily feel dark for the sake of being dark (though the term "being dark for the sake of being dark" could be debated a bit more, pretty sure someone has to decide whether a story will be dark or not in the first place...), it actually kind matched most of the Zelda games I looked at afterwards, both newer and older. It may have been a bit darker in tone, but it didn't feel unwelcome. And I didn't find the Wolf Link a pain either, but again, I liked the Werehog in Sonic Unleashed, so take that for what you will. I guess it's not for everyone though. But keep in mind a lot of people really like the game, and Ocarina of Time, while not every Zelda fan likes it, a lot of video game fans in general see it as one of the most significant games in video game history, so whatever anyone's tastes are, there's no doubt that it was made as a pretty great game. 1 Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shulk 8,623 Posted December 13, 2015 I believe THAT'S where I got that from. And I'm not as versed into the Zelda fandom, so I wouldn't know how praised TP is within there. All I know is that it's a fun game and I loved every second of it. Granted it's my first Zelda game that I played all the way through, but it certainly felt worth the price that I paid for it (I honestly can't remember what I bought it for, it was still while the Wii was still the main Nintendo console, so it must have still been full price). It didn't necessarily feel dark for the sake of being dark (though the term "being dark for the sake of being dark" could be debated a bit more, pretty sure someone has to decide whether a story will be dark or not in the first place...), it actually kind matched most of the Zelda games I looked at afterwards, both newer and older. It may have been a bit darker in tone, but it didn't feel unwelcome. And I didn't find the Wolf Link a pain either, but again, I liked the Werehog in Sonic Unleashed, so take that for what you will. I guess it's not for everyone though. But keep in mind a lot of people really like the game, and Ocarina of Time, while not every Zelda fan likes it, a lot of video game fans in general see it as one of the most significant games in video game history, so whatever anyone's tastes are, there's no doubt that it was made as a pretty great game. That was meant to be a joke about how TP fans want every Zelda game to be just like Twilight Princess, not how Nintendo makes the games. I love all the games after TP for not being like TP, but being a lot happier. You liked it, and that's fine. I didn't find it worth paying much for, and I felt it was just trying too hard to be dark. A lot of people love it and that's okay, I just didn't enjoy what I played of it and it gets tiring when TP fans tell me it's the greatest game ever and I need to play it. 1 Hero of Winds reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Winds 2,576 Posted December 13, 2015 And I'm not as versed into the Zelda fandom, so I wouldn't know how praised TP is within there. This happens to be the problem here. The Zelda fanbase as whole has grown to accept games like WW and MM. But they mostly only care about what you have to say if you're more for TP or OoT. They're not necessarily bad games, but they're not at a level of greatness for someone to say Nintendo should only stick to one art style or one formula. Also, if it's a new idea, even completely optional, people in the fanbase will shit on you. I'm sorry if I keep an open mind for my most beloved, favorite video game franchise of all time, but I'm not taking you're obnoxious bullshit because you disagree with me. That's pretty much the majority of the Zelda fanbase. You can tell me it's the minority all you want, but I'll only believe it when it's not the kinda behavior I see from the fanbase on all corners of the world. 1 Shulk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Light XIV 2,381 Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) This happens to be the problem here. The Zelda fanbase as whole has grown to accept games like WW and MM. But they mostly only care about what you have to say if you're more for TP or OoT. They're not necessarily bad games, but they're not at a level of greatness for someone to say Nintendo should only stick to one art style or one formula. Also, if it's a new idea, even completely optional, people in the fanbase will shit on you. I'm sorry if I keep an open mind for my most beloved, favorite video game franchise of all time, but I'm not taking you're obnoxious bullshit because you disagree with me. That's pretty much the majority of the Zelda fanbase. You can tell me it's the minority all you want, but I'll only believe it when it's not the kinda behavior I see from the fanbase on all corners of the world. That was meant to be a joke about how TP fans want every Zelda game to be just like Twilight Princess, not how Nintendo makes the games. I love all the games after TP for not being like TP, but being a lot happier. You liked it, and that's fine. I didn't find it worth paying much for, and I felt it was just trying too hard to be dark. A lot of people love it and that's okay, I just didn't enjoy what I played of it and it gets tiring when TP fans tell me it's the greatest game ever and I need to play it. Well then... :mellow: *change topic change topic change topic* How bout that Zelda U though, huh? Can't wait! X3""""" Edited December 13, 2015 by Hero of Light XIV Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exiblade7 1,917 Posted December 13, 2015 This happens to be the problem here. The Zelda fanbase as whole has grown to accept games like WW and MM. But they mostly only care about what you have to say if you're more for TP or OoT. They're not necessarily bad games, but they're not at a level of greatness for someone to say Nintendo should only stick to one art style or one formula. Also, if it's a new idea, even completely optional, people in the fanbase will shit on you. I'm sorry if I keep an open mind for my most beloved, favorite video game franchise of all time, but I'm not taking you're obnoxious bullshit because you disagree with me. That's pretty much the majority of the Zelda fanbase. You can tell me it's the minority all you want, but I'll only believe it when it's not the kinda behavior I see from the fanbase on all corners of the world. how about we have a mix of both cartoony and realistic art styles? if Nintendo does that, the fanbase will get the best out of both worlds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hero of Winds 2,576 Posted December 13, 2015 how about we have a mix of both cartoony and realistic art styles? if Nintendo does that, the fanbase will get the best out of both worlds. They tried a bit with Skyward Sword and it didn't sit well with most of the community. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exiblade7 1,917 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) (I know this post hasn't been used in three months, but I have to use it) TPHD has been spotted in an famitsu article and it seems like we're going to get more information from the game tomorrow Edited January 12, 2016 by Luke Fon Fabre 1 RoxasVen30 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isaix 924 Posted January 14, 2016 Apparently there's a new dungeon coming,that's great but for some reason you need the Wolf Link Amiibo to unlock it. 2 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) and Exiblade7 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites