— Xigbar and Saix appeared as members of Organisation XIII. Did they return as humans like Lea and the others?

 

Nomura: The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn’t you? For them to have been with Xehanort and the others, perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up. You could say the same for the members of Organisation XIII that didn’t appear in this title, however… I’d rather everyone use their imaginations.

This got me thinking. Perhaps other Organization XIII members are Seekers of Darkness?

 

Luxord and Marluxia appear the most likelist.

 

Luxord survived longer in Kingdom Hearts II than even Xigbar. When you think about when Sora arrives in The World That Never Was at the end of Kingdom Hearts II the remaining members of Organization XIII are Xigbar, Luxord, Saix and of course Xemnas. Xemnas, Isa & Braig are Seekers of Darkness. There's a good chance Luxord is also one.

 

Marluxia appeared to be highly regarded in Organization XIII since Xemnas gave her Castle Oblivion. And it's clear he was holded in higher regard than everyone else at Castle Oblivion.

You called Marluxia a her lol.

 

Anyway, that does seem likely and I was thinking about that too ever since I completed 3D, but I don't think Marluxia could be one of them as he did rebel against the Organization.

You called Marluxia a her lol.

 

Anyway, that does seem likely and I was thinking about that too ever since I completed 3D, but I don't think Marluxia could be one of them as he did rebel against the Organization.

 

Did Axel tell them?

you didn't mention Larxene? Come on, a group of evil people can never be complete without a senile bitch!

 

*senile bitch with an annoying laugh

Edited October 5, 201213 yr by Lt.Random

you didn't mention Larxene? Come on, a group of evil people can never be complete without a senile bitch!

 

*senile bitch with an annoying laugh

 

The reason she isnt included is because she rebeled against the organization.

Did Axel tell them?

 

He probably did but not in any scenes shown to the players. Besides, Xemnas must have known of them seeing as he refers to some of the members as traitors right before he fights Sora in KH3D.

 

Anyway, that does seem likely and I was thinking about that too ever since I completed 3D, but I don't think Marluxia could be one of them as he did rebel against the Organization.

 

I used to think this as well. And seeing as Xemnas refers to him as a traitor in KH3D, it didn't seem like they wanted him but, Sora was definitely not on their side but they were still going to make him a member of the new Organization. So why can't they do that with Marluxia as well?

 

The reason she isnt included is because she rebeled against the organization.

 

She rebelled against the Organization... so? Sora wasn't on their side either but they still planned on having him become one of them. They could just as well do that to Larxene and/or Marluxia.

Edited October 5, 201213 yr by JTD95

Most of this has already been established so your a little late on the band wagon. Also for those of you are using Xemnas's reasons for why certain member can't be successful vessels you can't rely on them. The fact of matter is that every single member of the old organization was defeated by either Sora and Riku, and or were traitors to the organization, by Xemnas's own definition all of the would make unworthy vessels including Xigbar,Siax and Xemnas. Think of it this way Six/Isa was planning on over throwing the Organization with Axel/Lea from the moment they joined yet he was displayed as a succesfull vessel from the moment we first saw him. A large part of what makes a successful vessel is the amount of darkness that one has at the moment they are implanted. We have seen examples of this with Terra, Riku, and Sora. Once implanted the heart piece needs time to grow,hence why Xemnas kept all the organization members in isolation and so close to the darkness. He knew that given interaction with other hearts would create heart buds and restore them making it less likely that the nort peice would take.

Most of this has already been established so your a little late on the band wagon. Also for those of you are using Xemnas's reasons for why certain member can't be successful vessels you can't rely on them. The fact of matter is that every single member of the old organization was defeated by either Sora and Riku, and or were traitors to the organization, by Xemnas's own definition all of the would make unworthy vessels including Xigbar,Siax and Xemnas. Think of it this way Six/Isa was planning on over throwing the Organization with Axel/Lea from the moment they joined yet he was displayed as a succesfull vessel from the moment we first saw him. A large part of what makes a successful vessel is the amount of darkness that one has at the moment they are implanted. We have seen examples of this with Terra, Riku, and Sora. Once implanted the heart piece needs time to grow,hence why Xemnas kept all the organization members in isolation and so close to the darkness. He knew that given interaction with other hearts would create heart buds and restore them making it less likely that the nort peice would take.

 

No need to be rude about it. I'm fully entitled to post my theories and discussions. And it's impossible for me to be "late on the band wagon" when there is no bandwagon. This is simply theories and discussion.

Most of this has already been established so your a little late on the band wagon. Also for those of you are using Xemnas's reasons for why certain member can't be successful vessels you can't rely on them. The fact of matter is that every single member of the old organization was defeated by either Sora and Riku, and or were traitors to the organization, by Xemnas's own definition all of the would make unworthy vessels including Xigbar,Siax and Xemnas. Think of it this way Six/Isa was planning on over throwing the Organization with Axel/Lea from the moment they joined yet he was displayed as a succesfull vessel from the moment we first saw him. A large part of what makes a successful vessel is the amount of darkness that one has at the moment they are implanted. We have seen examples of this with Terra, Riku, and Sora. Once implanted the heart piece needs time to grow,hence why Xemnas kept all the organization members in isolation and so close to the darkness. He knew that given interaction with other hearts would create heart buds and restore them making it less likely that the nort peice would take.

 

The hell? I got halfway through and quit reading because you're getting everything wrong.

 

Xemnas states that he knew some members were going to be failures:

 

"Weakness of body..." Don't exactly know who this is referring to, likely one of the weaker members

"Weakness of will" Obviously Demyx, Zexion, Lexaeus, and Vexen. I guess Xaldin fits here too, as he did shirk his duties to mess with the Beast

"Weakness of trust" The traitors, any of them. Axel, Marluxia, Larxene, and Roxas

 

The only real standing point I can see with members of the original Organization and members of the new are that they fully renounced their heart and emotions and embraced becoming a Nobody. Case in point: Saix. Completely emotionless, refused to believe Nobodies could feel, and pretty much is the Nobody attitude. He became a member of the new Organization.

 

With that logic, I'm suprised that Xaldin didn't make the cut and that Xigbar did. Xigbar shows emotions, mocking Sora every chance he can get. But then again, he doesn't really actually claim to have a heart or not. Xaldin, like Saix, is cold and unfeeling, but somehow, Xehanort just didn't feel he was up to the task.

 

Luxord seems like the only logical original member to be a part of the new Organization that hasn't already been revealed. He doesn't show any real emotions, he's very single-minded about being a Nobody, and (let's face it, kiddos) why wouldn't Xehanort want the Organization's Gambler of Fate by his side to manipulate time for him?

Most of this has already been established so your a little late on the band wagon. Also for those of you are using Xemnas's reasons for why certain member can't be successful vessels you can't rely on them. The fact of matter is that every single member of the old organization was defeated by either Sora and Riku, and or were traitors to the organization,

 

Actually there are two non-traitors who weren't beaten by Sora or Riku and weren't traitors. Vexen and Zexion, both loyal to the Organization and defeated by Axel and Riku replica respectively.

The rest of the "true" organization 13 could be Xehanorts from different points in his time line. Or they could be those organization members that we didn't see in 3D. Or maybe a whole new batch of Nobodies. There could be any number of answers. We'll just have to wait till KH3 to see which one is right.

The hell? I got halfway through and quit reading because you're getting everything wrong.

 

Xemnas states that he knew some members were going to be failures:

 

"Weakness of body..." Don't exactly know who this is referring to, likely one of the weaker members

"Weakness of will" Obviously Demyx, Zexion, Lexaeus, and Vexen. I guess Xaldin fits here too, as he did shirk his duties to mess with the Beast

"Weakness of trust" The traitors, any of them. Axel, Marluxia, Larxene, and Roxas

 

Well had you read my whole statement you would have gathered the point of my argument and know that you're only further proving my point. All the organization members fit at least one of the descriptives Xemnas used to describe the unsuccessful vessels.

 

Weakness of body- This right here describes everyone of the organization members because at the end of the day not a single one of them escaped being slain and were not capable of handling the onslaught of combat.

 

Weakness of will- This could be interpreted in two ways, one that their will to survive by means of the of the Organizations plans or the will to embrace their existence as nobodies aka embrace becoming Xehanort. Either way it doesn't matter at the end of the day most of the Organization's desire to get their hearts was strong enough for them to retain their sense of self. The only exceptions to this is Siax, and Xigbar.

 

Weakness of Trust- Like you pointed out Axel, Marluxia, Larxene, and Roxas (aka the traitors)in the end did not trust the intentions of the organization and sought their own means to accomplish their goals. However you forget that Siax was also a traitor yet he was a successful vessel. In fact Siax much like Xigbar had showed the signs of being Norted (gold eyes and pointed ears) from the first time we ever saw him. This to me suggest that if at the time of the implantation, if the subject has all the necessary qualities of a successful vessel the chances of the Nort heart being successful is more likely.

 

The only real standing point I can see with members of the original Organization and members of the new are that they fully renounced their heart and emotions and embraced becoming a Nobody. Case in point: Saix. Completely emotionless, refused to believe Nobodies could feel, and pretty much is the Nobody attitude. He became a member of the new Organization.

 

With that logic, I'm suprised that Xaldin didn't make the cut and that Xigbar did. Xigbar shows emotions, mocking Sora every chance he can get. But then again, he doesn't really actually claim to have a heart or not. Xaldin, like Saix, is cold and unfeeling, but somehow, Xehanort just didn't feel he was up to the task.

 

Luxord seems like the only logical original member to be a part of the new Organization that hasn't already been revealed. He doesn't show any real emotions, he's very single-minded about being a Nobody, and (let's face it, kiddos) why wouldn't Xehanort want the Organization's Gambler of Fate by his side to manipulate time for him?

 

Like I said had you taken out the time to read my whole statement, you would have realized that it suggested that any of the organization members not shown to on screen could have part of the Organization members.

Not to mention Nomura has already said that it's possible that some of the original members could still be a part of the new organization.

 

 

Actually there are two non-traitors who weren't beaten by Sora or Riku and weren't traitors. Vexen and Zexion, both loyal to the Organization and defeated by Axel and Riku replica respectively.

 

I apologize for not putting that in my original post, however the main point of that argument was that all of the Organization members had qualities that would have made them unsuccessful.

Edited October 5, 201213 yr by devereauxr

Luxord is the most likely, along with Demyx.

 

Demyx is a big fan favorite, while Luxord is Nomura's personal favorite.

Weakness of body- This right here describes everyone of the organization members because at the end of the day not a single one of them escaped being slain and were not capable of handling the onslaught of combat.

 

This in itself disproves you. EVERY member of the Organization fell to Sora or Riku. Even Xemnas. If not being slain was a requirement, then NO members of the Organization would become a vessel of Xehanort.

I apologize for not putting that in my original post, however the main point of that argument was that all of the Organization members had qualities that would have made them unsuccessful.

 

I actually just find it funny, of all the Organization members those two would be the last I would expect to meet all requirements. I mean seriously, just about all they do is go around disdaining at people. But apparently they're the best vessels.

Luxord is the most likely, along with Demyx.

 

Demyx is a big fan favorite, while Luxord is Nomura's personal favorite.

 

No. Demyx is the 7th light. Get it right.

 

This in itself disproves you. EVERY member of the Organization fell to Sora or Riku. Even Xemnas. If not being slain was a requirement, then NO members of the Organization would become a vessel of Xehanort.

 

Being defeated doesn't make you weak.

No. Demyx is the 7th light. Get it right.

 

Being defeated doesn't make you weak.

 

Demyx and Luxord shun Xehanorts petty pretenses at power, they won't join either side and will just wander from world to world beating everybody.

This in itself disproves you. EVERY member of the Organization fell to Sora or Riku. Even Xemnas. If not being slain was a requirement, then NO members of the Organization would become a vessel of Xehanort,.

Did you not read what I wrote that was the entire point of my arguement,which again you didn't read all the way. This point alone proves your intial argument wrong by acknowledging it as your own you're contradicting it.

 

Demyx and Luxord shun Xehanort's petty pretenses at power, they won't join either side and will just wander from world to world beating everybody.

 

If the Nort hearts has taken over them it doesn't matter what their previous personalities were like, they will act according to Xehanort's mind and will.

Did you not read what I wrote that was the entire point of my arguement,which again you didn't read all the way. This point alone proves your intial argument wrong by acknowledging it as your own you're contradicting it.

 

 

If the Nort hearts has taken over them it doesn't matter what their previous personalities were like, they will act according to Xehanort's mind and will.

 

Their hearts haven't been taken over. They are to badass for that.

Their hearts haven't been taken over. They are to badass for that.

 

But seriously I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Edited October 5, 201213 yr by devereauxr

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But seriously I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

I know the truth. Everyone else just doesn't want to believe me.

You called Marluxia a her lol.

 

Anyway, that does seem likely and I was thinking about that too ever since I completed 3D, but I don't think Marluxia could be one of them as he did rebel against the Organization.

 

Yeah but i think we are talking about Marluxia's original being since remember that Axel had Riku Replica finish off Zexion and yet despite having the Memories of their former Nobody selves are both Lea and Ienzo on good terms for some reason whilst Marluxia's original being along with the original beings of Larxene, Demyx and Luxord may have very well joined the new Organization XIII as Xehanort clones maybe.

Did you not read what I wrote that was the entire point of my arguement,which again you didn't read all the way. This point alone proves your intial argument wrong by acknowledging it as your own you're contradicting it.

 

Rather, you are either (A) not comprehending what I'm saying or (http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.png refusing that I'm right and you're wrong. Besides, the amount of darkness in one's heart doesn't matter. Sora had very little darkness in his heart before, but rather was dragged into the deepest sleep so that Xehanort could plant his heart in Sora without resistance. Xemnas, Xigbar, and Saix didn't have hearts, thus they couldn't even have darkness in it.

 

Checkmate.

 

Yeah but i think we are talking about Marluxia's original being since remember that Axel had Riku Replica finish off Zexion and yet despite having the Memories of their former Nobody selves are both Lea and Ienzo on good terms for some reason whilst Marluxia's original being along with the original beings of Larxene, Demyx and Luxord may have very well joined the new Organization XIII as Xehanort clones maybe.

 

Marluxia and Larxene didn't make the cut because they betrayed the Organization. Demyx likely isn't going to make the cut either because he was a total slacker and embraced the idea of having a heart.

Rather, you are either (A) not comprehending what I'm saying or ( http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.png refusing that I'm right and you're wrong. Besides, the amount of darkness in one's heart doesn't matter. Sora had very little darkness in his heart before, but rather was dragged into the deepest sleep so that Xehanort could plant his heart in Sora without resistance. Xemnas, Xigbar, and Saix didn't have hearts, thus they couldn't even have darkness in it.

 

Checkmate.

First of all I think you need to read and understand what people are saying before you call checkmate, because your pieces haven't even moved from their original places.

 

Second of all have you even played DDD, because if you have I'm astounded that you missed these crucial details. The whole point of dragging Sora into the abyss of sleep, was to make sure that his heart would fall to darkness. The whole time the Organization was tempting Sora's heart in an attempt to "abadon the self" which Nomura confirmed was a way to lose ones heart and fall to darkness.Young Xehanort even said directly "Your heart will sleep forever in the folds of darkness and your body will be another vessel for me". I don't see how you could miss that especially with a the darkness that was surrounding him in that scene, also how do you account for all the darkness that was present when Riku dived in Sora's heart(I mean it completely enveloped Ventus's armor for crying out loud).

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwPtuoN0o-o&feature=relmfu

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfbIdWdtmow&feature=plcp

 

Why did Xehanort and co. word things as if to try and wake Ventus who is inside Sora?

Nomura: They did so in order to tempt Sora’s heart and have it fall to the darkness. In the story it also talks about how abandoning the self leads to losing the heart. When you see Vanitas (the dark half of Ventus who appeared in KHBBS) overlay Young Xehanort for a moment, that represents Ventus’ heart reacting inside Sora.

 

Since Xehanort took over Terra, in every example of Xehanort trying to Nort somebody, he went out of his way to make sure his victim had a large amount of darkness within him. This means a good amount of darkness is a necessary characteristic of a sucessfull vessel. This is true of Terra, the apprentices, Riku, and Sora and you can't ignore it's constant appearance.

 

Marluxia and Larxene didn't make the cut because they betrayed the Organization. Demyx likely isn't going to make the cut either because he was a total slacker and embraced the idea of having a heart.

You can't even say that because like I already pointed out in every one of my posts so far Siax was a traitor from the very beginning and yet he was a successful vessel. Also Demyx was always goofing off on missions and doing his own thing he missed crucial points in which he could have engaged with other hearts(nuturing his own). Factor this in with the fact that he was lazy and you have a guy who would have been even more suceptable to a Nort heart.

 

In short read and understand what people are saying before you respond, checkmate have a nice day.

It could be possible that the four remaining Organization members became Xehanort's vessels, but I doubt it for a few reasons:

 

1. Marluxia and Larxene were traitorous and planned to rebel against the Organization

 

2. Demyx was weak in terms of personality and physical strength even though the boss fight in KH2 made me rage quit a couple o ftimes

 

3. And as for Luxord, I think he may be one of them, but again I'm not sure.

Actually there are two non-traitors who weren't beaten by Sora or Riku and weren't traitors. Vexen and Zexion, both loyal to the Organization and defeated by Axel and Riku replica respectively.

 

Correction:

 

Sora defeated Vexen. Axel finished Vexen.

Riku defeated Zexion. Riku Replica drained Zexion under Axel's orders.