I want things to be more intense and in stakes I mean.....Xehanort(and his new Organization) needs to be more sinister and evil than he already is and I want him to cause a huge loss to Sora and his friends so  the player will be even more motivated to kill him

 

Y'know...an act that makes you say "This son of a bitch needs to die"....the things that made us love to hate villains like Kefka,Golbez(when he was evil before Zeromus appeared) and other great villains

 

 

like destroying a world or two and make them fall into the darkness halfway through the game....or killing a character..(how about having Saix destroy his friend LeaAxel before you fight him),I want something that makes me look forward to fight the main villains and destroy them

 

 

and inb4 comments like "eww you cruel bloodthrust KH doesn't need death every character should live",give me a freakin break and please for the love of God try to play some other RPGs.Storytelling doesn't always work like this.This isn't Dragonball Z this is Kingdom Hearts.Even Disney movies have some of their characters die like Mufasa from Lion King.

 

Why should feel intimidated by Xehanort when the only dude on his small killstreak is ONE GUY(and no he is dead and he should stay dead not be brought back to life ....EVER) in terms of what he's done to the main characters

 

 

 

The only character that has an actual reason to destroy Xehanort outside the usual(save the worlduniverse) goal is Terra

 

I want Xehanort to hurt Sora and Riku,to give them another reason to destroy him and his new reformed Organization XIII.

 

Sora in particular needs to feel pain,which is why I loved the scenes in KH3D's version of the World That Never Was,where Roxas shared his pain and memories with Sora and when Sora saw Xion,Terra and Aqua....etc.Y'know....that thing that's called CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!Cuz really Nomura didn't give us enough time to spend with Sora as we didn't even see his full story while we saw the full stories of supporting characters like the BBS trio,Roxas,Axel and Xion, the BBS trio in particular got waaay more attention and importance than necessary as if their actions and accomplishments are way more important than main characters like sora and riku.

 

 

It's time for the KH series to evolve and learn from the story telling of other JRPGs around it.Look I love and adore this series to death I really do,but it's not what I can call the best plot in a video game like what I used to say years ago

 

I've played a lot of other JRPGs,both ones made by Square and ones not made by Square,and learned more about how a story can be told in a JRPG.Nomura should really try and play other RPGs like Shin Megami Tensei,Xenoblade,Fire Emblem,heck even the series he designed characters for which is Final Fantasy like FFVI,FFVII.....etc,see what those games did right,avoid the things they did wrong.Take the good things you found from them and apply it to KH in your style.

 

When I mention death I don't mean "gory mortal kombatAttack on Titan" type of death.I mean one of the many basics of writing an epic.

 

A story should have a character feels the weight of his losses(with good writing not emoing and mopping),have the character feels the big responsibility of his mission,and should have a motivation for said character to oppose the villain more than just your basic(he's evil,defeat him and save the world...BAM PEACE)

 

 

oh boy I can already sense the upcoming rants in the posts but hey at least I managed to get my thoughts out after keeping them for so long.

 

Also,please do yourself a favor and don't miss out on other great RPGs out there like the main Shin Megami Tensei series,Persona,Xenoblade,Skies of Arcadia,Fire Emblem,Chrono Trigger,Secret of Mana,Earthbound,Suikoden ,Breath of Fire,Bravely Default,Terranigma,Illusion of Gaia heck even things like the Paper Mario series and the Mario & Luigi RPG series :smile:.Expose yourself to as many kinds of story telling in JRPGs and trust me you'll find something among those that's as awesome as KH if not maybe more.

 

 

Aand with that I end my long rambling.....

I agree that the stakes must be raised in Kingdom Hearts 3.  The stakes must be raised to the point that we are literally hanging on the edge of our seats!  And I'm pretty sure that this time there will be a few characters dying. Gah, I can't take the excitement, I need Kingdom Hearts 3!!!

Kingdom hearts 3 will definitely be epic!

You mean a moment that would make you panic in your seat, like when Xehanort's heart was so close getting into Sora's body? It freaked me out at that part. 

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by RikuFangirl2008

You mean a moment that would make you panic in your seat, like when Xehanort's heart was so close getting into Sora's body? It freaked me out at that part.

that's not what he means at all. The stakes would be 100x more exciting

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by Cucco

You mean a moment that would make you panic in your seat, like when Xehanort's heart was so close getting into Sora's body? It freaked me out at that part. 

That's not what I meant

 

I mean a moment that makes you hate Xehanort and want him dead....like say killing one of the main characters like LeaAxel(by means of ordering Saix to kill him like what I've mentioned)

 

 

 

And I also means moment when the fate of the universe is at stake,they should show us a lot of worlds being engulfed in darkness once Xehanort manages to summon Kingdom Hearts

 

They need to make Xehanort an intimidating villain and they need to show some sacrifices too

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by Annoying D Waluigi

That's not what I meant

 

I mean a moment that makes you hate Xehanort and want him dead....like say killing one of the main characters like LeaAxel(by means of ordering Saix to kill him like what I've mentioned)

 

 

 

And I also means moment when the fate of the universe is at stake,they should show us a lot of worlds being engulfed in darkness once Xehanort manages to summon Kingdom Hearts

 

They need to make Xehanort an intimidating villain and they need to show some sacrifices too

 

Oh... Well, the things he did so far that was reveled already makes me want to get him. If he did do something of what you said, I would probably scream at the top of my lungs...

that's not what he means at all. The stakes would be 100x more exciting

 

Ok never mind... 

What? Like Xehanort hasn't given us enough reason to want him dead already? I mean, he may never have actually killed anyone, but he's been messing with their lives for over a decade, he literally broke Ven's heart sent, Aqua to a dark prison, made Terra a prisoner in his own heart, manipulated Riku into hurting his best friend and nearly killing Kairi thank Kingdom Hearts that he still had some control), created Xion just so she could be thrown away, eroded the friendship between Lea and Isa, and let's not forget, he was responsible for plunging thousands of worlds into darkness, some of which are still trapped in limbo. Xehanort, in his many incarnations, has been responsible for all the horrible things that our heroes have had to endure. Even Sora has a reason to hate him, he's like me, you can do whatever you want to me, but mess with the people I care about, and you're a dead man.

 

Personally, I'd hate KH III if ti were like that, Yes I've played Persona and I like it, but that kind of gravety wouldn't fit with KH, and modern Disney would never allow a hero to die, they don't even kill their villains anymore, at least not as graphically as they used to. Frollo: either feel to his death or was burned alive, Clayton: strangled by vines. Gaston: Fell to his death, Scar: Torn apart by hyenas, But now, Dr. Facillier: dragged into Hell (which was the last epic Disney death but not on the level of what they used to do). Mother Gothel: Crumbled to dust before she even hit the ground. Hans: Didn't even die he was sent to face his brothers' judgment.

Sure there was a time where that may have happen but things have changed. The whole reason Dissidia became and FF game was because Nomura was sure Disney would never allow their characters to fight each other.

 

I admit, I wouldn't mind Sora getting pissed of like he did in CoM but, personally, I don't want the heroes motivated by revenge, KH is about overcoming the darkness, and hatred is one of the darkest emotions there is. If anything, the characters being motivated by their hatred of Xehanort would give him the advantage because he feeds of the darkness of others.

 

I agree it could be more serious, but I don't thing it should go as far as you're suggesting. Honestly, I'd like it if they brought back the humor of KH I (like Donald breaking the fourth wall by focusing the camera on him rather than Aeris. That was golden) But I know with the situation they're facing, that amount of humor would be out of place, Maybe near the beginning of KH IV, but not now. 

 

My point is, KH can manage to have a serious story and still maintain the charm and innocence that made me fall in love with the series and not having to resort to character death. Part of the appeal of KH is that it manages to be serious and light-hearted at the same time.

Edited July 1, 201411 yr by Isamu_Kuno

It would be interesting to see some worlds actually being destroyed, and not simply the hearless entering the keyhole and goodbye world, but actually seeing the Heartless cause some destruction, the Keyholes that connect to the heart, should be no more, so the world would had to eat the world to get to the world, seeing them actually take the hearts of the people would also be nice for once, since we have only truly seen it in the beginning of the first game, a Princess of Heart "dying" would also be interesting to have.Though if it were to be happen, it should be in the middle of the story, Sora has obtained the Keyblade to Return Hearts, the seven lights have been found, and the seven princesses are "safe", but then when they think everything is alright, various "stars" go out at the same time in a pattern that leads to a world we have visited in the game, preferably Destiny Islands, to cause some sense of desperation in the Sora, Riku, and Kairi, who barely arrive in time to save a small portion of the world, and in that moment, a Keyblade stabs Kairi, and Xehanort appears from the shadows, to claim Kairi's heart, and gives a ultimatum to Sora and Riku, that even though they have found the seven lights, the Princesses are not safe, and that they must be careful of those around them, giving them a evilish smile, and dissapearing into the shadows, to continue the destruction of the worlds...

 

and yes I know I'm crazy, and that something like that would never happened, but I do agree that Xehanort must do something for us truly feel that we must stop him, something that makes his past actions, seem like mere child play.

I want there to be blood. Lots of blood and death

What? Like Xehanort hasn't given us enough reason to want him dead already? I mean, he may never have actually killed anyone, but he's been messing with their lives for over a decade, he literally broke Ven's heart sent, Aqua to a dark prison, made Terra a prisoner in his own heart, manipulated Riku into hurting his best friend and nearly killing Kairi thank Kingdom Hearts that he still had some control), created Xion just so she could be throne away, eroded the friendship between Lea and Isa, and let's not forget, he was responsible for plunging thousands of worlds into darkness, some of which are still trapped in limbo. Xehanort, in his many incarnations, has been responsible for all the horrible things that our heroes have had to endure. Even Sora has a reason to hate him, he's like me, you can do whatever you want to me, but mess with the people I care about, and you're a dead man.

 

Personally, I'd hate KH III if ti were like that, Yes I've played Persona and I like it, but that kind of gravety wouldn't fit with KH, and modern Disney would never allow a hero to die, they don't even kill their villains anymore, at least not as graphically as they used to. Frollo: either feel to his death or was burned alive, Clayton: strangled by vines. Gaston: Fell to his death, Scar: Torn apart by hyenas, But now, Dr. Facillier: dragged into Hell (which was the last epic Disney death but not on the level of what they used to do). Mother Gothel: Crumbled to dust before she even hit the ground. Hans: Didn't even die he was sent to face his brothers' judgment.

Sure there was a time where that may have happen but things have changed. The whole reason Dissidia became and FF game was because Nomura was sure Disney would never allow their characters to fight each other.

 

I admit, I wouldn't mind Sora getting pissed of like he did in CoM but, personally, I don't want the heroes motivated by revenge, KH is about overcoming the darkness, and hatred is one of the darkest emotions there is. If anything, the characters being motivated by their hatred of Xehanort would give him the advantage because he feeds of the darkness of others.

 

I agree it could be more serious, but I don't thing it should go as far as you're suggesting. Honestly, I'd like it if they brought back the humor of KH I (like Donald breaking the fourth wall by focusing the camera on him rather than Aeris. That was golden) But I know with the situation they're facing, that amount of humor would be out of place, Maybe near the beginning of KH IV, but not now. 

 

My point is, KH can manage to have a serious story and still maintain the charm and innocence that made me fall in love with the series and not having to resort to character death. Part of the appeal of KH is that it manages to be serious and light-hearted at the same time.

1Xehanort is nothing compared to someone like Kefka,in fact Kefka can do all what Xehanort did and more

 

2How will they overcome the darkness if they've never felt said darkness?They must feel it in order for them to overcome it

 

They must overcome a dark feeling like revenge .....etc

 

3Where and when did I say they should give them brutal death?don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.What I mean by death is someone losing a friend

 

4Oh....my.....God how many times I should say that death won't take away the series's light-hearted nature?You can have a character feel sad for his loss while during lighter moments have them laugh their ass off.....Kid Icarus Uprising had characters dying and yet it managed to be humorous and light-hearted and had an E-rating

 

5Half of the stuff I've mentioned is in the KH manga,just go and see how amazing and menacing Marluxia was in the KH manga compared to his lol-enducing appearance in chain of memories

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by Annoying D Waluigi

I want things to be more intense and in stakes I mean.....Xehanort(and his new Organization) needs to be more sinister and evil than he already is and I want him to cause a huge loss to Sora and his friends so  the player will be even more motivated to kill him

 

Y'know...an act that makes you say "This son of a bitch needs to die"....the things that made us love to hate villains like Kefka,Golbez(when he was evil before Zeromus appeared) and other great villains

 

 

like destroying a world or two and make them fall into the darkness halfway through the game....or killing a character..(how about having Saix destroy his friend LeaAxel before you fight him),I want something that makes me look forward to fight the main villains and destroy them

 

 

and inb4 comments like "eww you cruel bloodthrust KH doesn't need death every character should live",give me a freakin break and please for the love of God try to play some other RPGs.Storytelling doesn't always work like this.This isn't Dragonball Z this is Kingdom Hearts.Even Disney movies have some of their characters die like Mufasa from Lion King.

 

Why should feel intimidated by Xehanort when the only dude on his small killstreak is ONE GUY(and no he is dead and he should stay dead not be brought back to life ....EVER) in terms of what he's done to the main characters

 

 

 

The only character that has an actual reason to destroy Xehanort outside the usual(save the worlduniverse) goal is Terra

 

I want Xehanort to hurt Sora and Riku,to give them another reason to destroy him and his new reformed Organization XIII.

 

Sora in particular needs to feel pain,which is why I loved the scenes in KH3D's version of the World That Never Was,where Roxas shared his pain and memories with Sora and when Sora saw Xion,Terra and Aqua....etc.Y'know....that thing that's called CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!Cuz really Nomura didn't give us enough time to spend with Sora as we didn't even see his full story while we saw the full stories of supporting characters like the BBS trio,Roxas,Axel and Xion, the BBS trio in particular got waaay more attention and importance than necessary as if their actions and accomplishments are way more important than main characters like sora and riku.

 

 

It's time for the KH series to evolve and learn from the story telling of other JRPGs around it.Look I love and adore this series to death I really do,but it's not what I can call the best plot in a video game like what I used to say years ago

 

I've played a lot of other JRPGs,both ones made by Square and ones not made by Square,and learned more about how a story can be told in a JRPG.Nomura should really try and play other RPGs like Shin Megami Tensei,Xenoblade,Fire Emblem,heck even the series he designed characters for which is Final Fantasy like FFVI,FFVII.....etc,see what those games did right,avoid the things they did wrong.Take the good things you found from them and apply it to KH in your style.

 

When I mention death I don't mean "gory mortal kombatAttack on Titan" type of death.I mean one of the many basics of writing an epic.

 

A story should have a character feels the weight of his losses(with good writing not emoing and mopping),have the character feels the big responsibility of his mission,and should have a motivation for said character to oppose the villain more than just your basic(he's evil,defeat him and save the world...BAM PEACE)

 

 

oh boy I can already sense the upcoming rants in the posts but hey at least I managed to get my thoughts out after keeping them for so long.

 

Also,please do yourself a favor and don't miss out on other great RPGs out there like the main Shin Megami Tensei series,Persona,Xenoblade,Skies of Arcadia,Fire Emblem,Chrono Trigger,Secret of Mana,Earthbound,Suikoden ,Breath of Fire,Bravely Default,Terranigma,Illusion of Gaia heck even things like the Paper Mario series and the Mario & Luigi RPG series :smile:.Expose yourself to as many kinds of story telling in JRPGs and trust me you'll find something among those that's as awesome as KH if not maybe more.

 

 

Aand with that I end my long rambling.....

I agree the stakes should be raised, but to be fair, the stakes were raised somewhat in 3D, since Xehanort basically KILLED Sora in 3D(he shattered his heart, which basically equals Death in KH, although he did get better though, thanks to Riku), i figured that was already a big enough for now. But, i could see that the stakes should go higher. But i mean, no one dies in KH(scratch that, no KH character really dies in KH, not counting disney villains).

I agree the stakes should be raised, but to be fair, the stakes were raised somewhat in 3D, since Xehanort basically KILLED Sora in 3D(he shattered his heart, which basically equals Death in KH, although he did get better though, thanks to Riku), i figured that was already a big enough for now. But, i could see that the stakes should go higher. But i mean, no one dies in KH(scratch that, no KH character really dies in KH, not counting disney villains).

Nope Sora's heart wasn't even scratched in 3D he was just put into slumber so Xehanort can possess him and start the cloning process.Sure stakes were risen but not enough to reach a massive epic level 

 

Also,this isn't Dragon Ball Z.....someone should die during a war....have you ever....EVER heard of a war where there were not a single casualties among the people who fought in said war?

 

This is like if in the fourth Ninja war in Naruto no one actually dies and suddenly every main character in the series that died(like Jiraya for example) will get fully revived at the end of the fourth ninja war.....that would be stupid don't you think?

Nope Sora's heart wasn't even scratched in 3D he was just put into slumber so Xehanort can possess him and start the cloning process.Sure stakes were risen but not enough to reach a massive epic level 

 

Also,this isn't Dragon Ball Z.....someone should die during a war....have you ever....EVER heard of a war where there were not a single casualties among the people who fought in said war?

 

This is like if in the fourth Ninja war in Naruto no one actually dies and suddenly every main character in the series that died(like Jiraya for example) will get fully revived at the end of the fourth ninja war.....that would be stupid don't you think?

Uh, i'm pretty sure his heart was shattered. I mean, he basically became like Ven for awhile, except his heart didn't leave his body. But, i could be wrong. Still, i mean, he almost turned Sora into a Nort, that's pretty big. No offense to the other wielders, but we all know that without Sora, the side of light doesn't stand a chance. :

 

Well, KH is different. I mean, what other series doesn't have chars. legit. die like this? I mean, freaking, if you lose your heart to a keyblade then you just turn into a nobody and heartless, and those being destroyed brings you back to normal. Hell, even Eraqus isn't dead, his heart just went into Terra(which i think is stupid, but eh). I kidna think the only way to actually die is from old age or disease honestly. Or by being killed by something that isn't a keyblade or heartless/nobody.

Also,if anyone else even bothered to read until the end instead of handpicking the points they wanna bitch about

 

I said Nomura should take the good things from other games and apply it in KH IN HIS OWN STYLE 

 

 

 

A.K.A add the KH flavour to it

Uh, i'm pretty sure his heart was shattered. I mean, he basically became like Ven for awhile, except his heart didn't leave his body. But, i could be wrong. Still, i mean, he almost turned Sora into a Nort, that's pretty big. No offense to the other wielders, but we all know that without Sora, the side of light doesn't stand a chance. :

 

Well, KH is different. I mean, what other series doesn't have chars. legit. die like this? I mean, freaking, if you lose your heart to a keyblade then you just turn into a nobody and heartless, and those being destroyed brings you back to normal. Hell, even Eraqus isn't dead, his heart just went into Terra(which i think is stupid, but eh). I kidna think the only way to actually die is from old age or disease honestly. Or by being killed by something that isn't a keyblade or heartless/nobody.

No it wasn't shattered he was put into a coma by covering his heart in darkness.

 

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Also,if anyone else even bothered to read until the end instead of handpicking the points they wanna bitch about

 

I said Nomura should take the good things from other games and apply it in KH IN HIS OWN STYLE 

 

 

 

A.K.A add the KH flavour to it

 

 

3No not everyone who dies in KH turns into heartless and nobody otherwise everybody will be immortal....like if someone died from cancer or old age,will he become a heartlessnobody and then get revived suddenly.

 

I don't want character's death in KH to be as meaningless as it was in DBZ.Why should I feel sad about  Goku dying if he's gonna be revived 10 episodes later?Why should I feel sad about Eraqus dying if he's gonna be revived three games later?

Also,if anyone else even bothered to read until the end instead of handpicking the points they wanna bitch about

 

I said Nomura should take the good things from other games and apply it in KH IN HIS OWN STYLE 

 

 

 

A.K.A add the KH flavour to it

No it wasn't shattered he was put into a coma by covering his heart in darkness.

 

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3No not everyone who dies in KH turns into heartless and nobody otherwise everybody will be immortal....like if someone died from cancer or old age,will he become a heartlessnobody and then get revived suddenly.

 

I don't want character's death in KH to be as meaningless as it was in DBZ.Why should I feel sad about  Goku dying if he's gonna be revived 10 episodes later?Why should I feel sad about Eraqus dying if he's gonna be revived three games later?

I did bring up that disease/Old age might be one of the only ways to die legitimately BTW. But, when it comes to being killed by the keyblade(which Sora will probably end up using to defeat Xehanort), there's no way for them to permanently kill Xehanort with it, and vice versa with Xehanort trying to kill Sora and the others.

 

And i can understand the want to have death actually mean something, i get that, i usually don't like it when it doesn't mean jack(like in DBZ, as much as i like it). I would like to see a change of pace and for Nomura to incorporate that somewhat, but i kinda doubt it TBH. : Here's hoping though.

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by spiderfreak1011

One word Disney. Come on Disney is sensitive about their characters so I highly doubt they would make the protagonists go and out for revenge. As for the tone, the tone would be similar to Birth by Sleep and Dream Drop Distance. Disney won't let Kingdom Hearts 3 go too dark and they especially won't have blood. And don't we already have a good reason to kill Master Xehanort? He cause so many pain and torment to Terra, Ventus, Aqua, Sora, Riku, Kairi, Namine, Xion, and Master Eraqus for the passed eleven years.

1Xehanort is nothing compared to someone like Kefka,in fact Kefka can do all what Xehanort did and more

 

2How will they overcome the darkness if they've never felt said darkness?They must feel it in order for them to overcome it

 

They must overcome a dark feeling like revenge .....etc

 

3Where and when did I say they should give them brutal death?don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.What I mean by death is someone losing a friend

 

4Oh....my.....God how many times I should say that death won't take away the series's light-hearted nature?You can have a character feel sad for his loss while during lighter moments have them laugh their ass off.....Kid Icarus Uprising had characters dying and yet it managed to be humorous and light-hearted and had an E-rating

 

5Half of the stuff I've mentioned is in the KH manga,just go and see how amazing and menacing Marluxia was in the KH manga compared to his lol-enducing appearance in chain of memories

Well I've never played that game so i'll take your word for it but as for the rest.

2. They have felt it, like i said, even if they haven't lost anyone, horrible things have happened to them and that's kind of my point. rather than wanting to kill Xehanort out of revenge, they should overcome their feelings and destroy him because it's what's best for the worlds, not because they hate him.

3 My point was, Gueesome or not, Disney doesn't really do death anymore, except in the case of villains and even then not all the time. Even though Square is developing the game, Disney has the final say in what they can and can't do. Disney also owns the right to the original characters like Sora and Lea, they will not allow a hero to die.

4. The KH characters are not ones to take death lightly. Look how pissed they were when they though Goofy was dead. someone dies in Kh ans the people around them are obsessed with revenge until they get it.

5. I have read the manga and I didn't really see much of a difference. Nor did I find Marluxia any less threatening in the game.

 

You don't have to loose someone to want revenge. The things Xehanort has done are already enough.

 

 

I understand your point, I simply don't agree. Perma-death has no place in Kingdom Hearts except for Xehanort because it's necessary if we're going to move past the current arc.

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Won't happen because of disney, the closest thing that can happen is something like goofy's "death" in KH2.

Yeah i dont want our heroes fighting for revenge. It would kind of ruin the purpose of the whole light thing. And while death in KH does sounds intresting, honestly, its not needed like at all. Heck probably not even for xehanort. Im sorry but im getting tired of the whole "someone needs to die to get things darker or serious or more dramatic. There are plenty of movies and games that dont have people dying and they are some of the best pices of work. I just want to stop the new organization like i did in the past. Have epic battles. Have funny cutesy moments, and bring everyone back in a touching way. And im like 80 percent sure they'll find a non lethal way to stop xehanort. As long as kingdom hearts 3 has a good enough combination of story gameplay and music that makes me feel something (wether it be happy or sad) like its always had in the past, ill be more than happy

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by Xian Cano

the lead developer seid that kingdom hearts fundamentaly changes the series & te game is seid to have a more mature & serious tone so.....yeah

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by liamaru

You make a lot of good points. Death, done correctly, could really make KH3 stand out but it seems like it would be hard to do for this series.

 

As of this point only Riku's Death would hold a lot of significance since he's developed the most and (other than Sora) more main characters have interacted a lot with Riku than anyone else. Anyone else permanently dying(as of now) would seem like a cheap attempt of sadness or just a way of avoiding properly developing a character. Maybe when the main characters develop and interact a lot more with each other over the course of KH3 then a permanent death would hold enough weight to make the story much greater but with how Sora knows so little about the people connected to him now, it won't give him much to be vengeful about other than "oh, this innocent person died". Let's say Kairi becomes a great character who becomes well liked by all the others; Her death would need to happen long before the final boss fight for us to really build the pain/anger of the loss but then it would happen too early in the game for the other main characters(and us) to get that attached.

 

Death could be a good option but really KH3 just needs Xehanort to do more evil things that have a permanent consequence(like some of the other things he has done but on a bigger scale). Though it seems like pretty much anything can be reversed in the KH universe( losing your heart, losing your memories, falling into an endless sleep etc). 

 

With pretty much every new KH game, there are new "laws" of the universe that get introduced so maybe new ways Xehanort can mess with the worlds or the characters will com up that could give the main characters and the player more reason to want to stop Xehanort.

 

I definitely agree KH3 needs to get more serious( while still being lighthearted) since even the other games could have been significantly better if the characters acted a little differently or if the enemies did a little more evil.

Well I've never played that game so i'll take your word for it but as for the rest.

2. They have felt it, like i said, even if they haven't lost anyone, horrible things have happened to them and that's kind of my point. rather than wanting to kill Xehanort out of revenge, they should overcome their feelings and destroy him because it's what's best for the worlds, not because they hate him.

3 My point was, Gueesome or not, Disney doesn't really do death anymore, except in the case of villains and even then not all the time. Even though Square is developing the game, Disney has the final say in what they can and can't do. Disney also owns the right to the original characters like Sora and Lea, they will not allow a hero to die.

4. The KH characters are not ones to take death lightly. Look how pissed they were when they though Goofy was dead. someone dies in Kh ans the people around them are obsessed with revenge until they get it.

5. I have read the manga and I didn't really see much of a difference. Nor did I find Marluxia any less threatening in the game.

 

You don't have to loose someone to want revenge. The things Xehanort has done are already enough.

 

 

I understand your point, I simply don't agree. Perma-death has no place in Kingdom Hearts except for Xehanort because it's necessary if we're going to move past the current arc.

By they you mean who?the BBS trio?No I mean Sora and Riku,the BBS trio can go and f*** themselves I'm not focusing on them

 

So.....you want the series to be Disney's version of Dragon Ball Z where characters death means jackshit?Look I love DBZ but even that had it's share of bullshit and this is one of them

 

No matter how many times I explain you'll never understand me but rather understand an incorrect interpetation of what I want to say

 

Kingdom Hearts isn't just Disney.....it's Disney AND Square Enix.....I want the Square stuff to be more than just cameos,I want it be part of the writing and I also want FF characters to do something rather than just standing there and being a pretty cameo

 

 

All of what I've said are basics of story-telling in almost every JRPG......Nomura when he ignored those basics the series has suffered as a result,look no matter how much we love the series we have to admit that the plot suffers from some flaws that caused by some of the unnecessary rules

 

I don't care if Disney doesn't do death anymore,it was part of their old fairy tales and it's a basic when telling an epic.

 

Why should I fear Xehanort when he can't kill a single person or make sacrifices for his goal?As diabolical as he is.Xehanort is low tier compared to someone like Kefka or Golbez

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by Annoying D Waluigi

You make a lot of good points. Death, done correctly, could really make KH3 stand out but it seems like it would be hard to do for this series.

 

As of this point only Riku's Death would hold a lot of significance since he's developed the most and (other than Sora) more main characters have interacted a lot with Riku than anyone else. Anyone else permanently dying(as of now) would seem like a cheap attempt of sadness or just a way of avoiding properly developing a character. Maybe when the main characters develop and interact a lot more with each other over the course of KH3 then a permanent death would hold enough weight to make the story much greater but with how Sora knows so little about the people connected to him now, it won't give him much to be vengeful about other than "oh, this innocent person died". Let's say Kairi becomes a great character who becomes well liked by all the others; Her death would need to happen long before the final boss fight for us to really build the pain/anger of the loss but then it would happen too early in the game for the other main characters(and us) to get that attached.

 

Death could be a good option but really KH3 just needs Xehanort to do more evil things that have a permanent consequence(like some of the other things he has done but on a bigger scale). Though it seems like pretty much anything can be reversed in the KH universe( losing your heart, losing your memories, falling into an endless sleep etc). 

 

With pretty much every new KH game, there are new "laws" of the universe that get introduced so maybe new ways Xehanort can mess with the worlds or the characters will com up that could give the main characters and the player more reason to want to stop Xehanort.

 

I definitely agree KH3 needs to get more serious( while still being lighthearted) since even the other games could have been significantly better if the characters acted a little differently or if the enemies did a little more evil.

Where did I say that everybody should die?And I didn't say Sora shouldn't interact with Terra,Aqua,Ven,Roxas,Axel,Xion he should meet them and fight alongside them

 

 

Guys please take a moment and read everything I said instead of RANDOM INTERPETATION of what I've said

2 things I want:

 

1. MX falling victim to Kick the Son of a B****/Pay Evil unto Evil.

 

2. Some Light Is Not Good.

Edited June 30, 201411 yr by Alan Smithee

Where did I say that everybody should die?And I didn't say Sora shouldn't interact with Terra,Aqua,Ven,Roxas,Axel,Xion he should meet them and fight alongside them

 

 

Guys please take a moment and read everything I said instead of RANDOM INTERPETATION of what I've said

 

Did YOU read everything I said? Where did I imply that you were saying everyone should die or shouldn't interact?

 

Anyway, I'm agreeing that death could work in KH3. What I'm saying is that the characters need to interact a lot more than they have in past games for a death told be truly meaningful and even then if it happens too late in the KH3 it won't gives us enough time to really grieve WHILE we're still playing the game. Otherwise, they might as well use something other than death.