The way time travel in Kingdom Hearts works can be described by something called the Predestination paradox.

 

 

A Predestination paradox occurs when the actions of a person traveling back in time ultimately causes the event he is trying to prevent to occur.

 

So maybe it isn't exactly like that in KH, but think about it.  One of the rules of MX's time travel is that the time traveler can not change things that are destined to happen.  Basically, MX goes back in time, talks to his younger self who then sets up the events of the series.  There is no "before" because that time travel is set by an infinite loop.  That's how time travel is possible without events being changed.

 

I just confused you even more didn't I?

But there must be a point of origin. The question is how far back in time.

Since when does this time loop have been happening?

Did Xehanort discovered time travel by himself? or did someone helped him and that set in motion the whole time loop,making it possible for him to visit his younger self, who then would travel to the future to recruit all of his future incarnations.

 

Nomura's mind is twisted, just like KH's time travel

The more we think about time travel in Kingdom Hearts, the more confused we get.

The way time travel in Kingdom Hearts works can be described by something called the Predestination paradox.

 

 

So maybe it isn't exactly like that in KH, but think about it.  One of the rules of MX's time travel is that the time traveler can not change things that are destined to happen.  Basically, MX goes back in time, talks to his younger self who then sets up the events of the series.  There is no "before" because that time travel is set by an infinite loop.  That's how time travel is possible without events being changed.

 

I just confused you even more didn't I?

Yeah I think that's what I thought of when they mentioned it too. There's different theories that different shows like to explore. Back to the Future used the flexible alternate universe/reality theory, Doctor Who with the weak points and strong points theory (where some parts are relatively weak and flexible to change to some degree, while others are stronger "fixed" points in time that either can't or shouldn't be changed to any degree. Like either they'll try to keep themselves the way they are or something terrible will happen as a result of it being changed)...as well as time itself being all wibbly and wobbly and whatnot, and since Kingdom Hearts has always been about destiny influencing events, it makes sense that it's this kind of theory of time travel that dictates events as well. Destiny always fated Xehanort to follow this path, so if it means him traveling back in time to tweak things in his favor somewhat, destiny will allow it, so long as it doesn't radically alter events to a degree that contradicts destiny...heavily anyway. And we can see with the Book of Prophesies that it was always destined that the great clash between Light and Darkness would begin anew.

 

 

But there must be a point of origin. The question is how far back in time.Since when does this time loop have been happening?Did Xehanort discovered time travel by himself? or did someone helped him and that set in motion the whole time loop,making it possible for him to visit his younger self, who then would travel to the future to recruit all of his future incarnations.Nomura's mind is twisted, just like KH's time travel 

 

Hey remember, time isn't a strict linear progression of cause to effect. It's actually a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey...stuff. So there need not necessarily be a "true" beginning, just the fact that Master Xehanort thought up the idea while scheming before his destruction and figured that he probably forgot that he ever did the plan to begin with because time travel amnesia is enough to go on. It's not so much of a line of events with a clear beginning and ending, but more of a big mess of scribbles that you can't really make out a specific end or beginning point in. So completely fitting with Nomura's level of confusing complexity. X)" 

Edited May 21, 20169 yr by Hero of Light XIV

Here's my theory:

 

Keyblades can open any lock, even the locks that time puts on everything. By unlocking those locks, one can travel to anytime period.

 

I dunno if that makes any sense, I just made that up.

Uh, I think I will just stick with what YX said. No offense.

But there must be a point of origin. The question is how far back in time.Since when does this time loop have been happening?Did Xehanort discovered time travel by himself? or did someone helped him and that set in motion the whole time loop,making it possible for him to visit his younger self, who then would travel to the future to recruit all of his future incarnations.Nomura's mind is twisted, just like KH's time travel

 

 

Why do people still ask this question? Don't people understand that infinite loop has no beginning?

The same happened when people tried to understand time travelling in Harry Potter 3.

 

There is no 'point of origin'. There can't be any beginnings, it's a loop. A circle has no beginning.

Xehanort always got the power from his future self. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger.

And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger... and so Ad infinitum

 

 

Yeah I think that's what I thought of when they mentioned it too. There's different theories that different shows like to explore. Back to the Future used the flexible alternate universe/reality theory, Doctor Who with the weak points and strong points theory (where some parts are relatively weak and flexible to change to some degree, while others are stronger "fixed" points in time that either can't or shouldn't be changed to any degree. Like either they'll try to keep themselves the way they are or something terrible will happen as a result of it being changed)...as well as time itself being all wibbly and wobbly and whatnot, and since Kingdom Hearts has always been about destiny influencing events, it makes sense that it's this kind of theory of time travel that dictates events as well. Destiny always fated Xehanort to follow this path, so if it means him traveling back in time to tweak things in his favor somewhat, destiny will allow it, so long as it doesn't radically alter events to a degree that contradicts destiny...heavily anyway. And we can see with the Book of Prophesies that it was always destined that the great clash between Light and Darkness would begin anew.

 

 

 

Hey remember, time isn't a strict linear progression of cause to effect. It's actually a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey...stuff. So there need not necessarily be a "true" beginning, just the fact that Master Xehanort thought up the idea while scheming before his destruction and figured that he probably forgot that he ever did the plan to begin with because time travel amnesia is enough to go on. It's not so much of a line of events with a clear beginning and ending, but more of a big mess of scribbles that you can't really make out a specific end or beginning point in. So completely fitting with Nomura's level of confusing complexity. X)" 

 

 

@Hero of Light

If you want to go with DW logic then I remember the " infinite time loop" used in Heaven Sent.

There was a point of origin. The first time the Doctor was sent inside the confession dial. Slowly finding and making clues, for later use by his future versions, once he discovered there was a copy of him in the hard drive. If the wall could not be destroyed then it was going to be an infinite time loop with the Doctor finding the way with that first version's clues, at the end the wall regenerates and the cycle begins again. Future version finds clues left behind by the first version until he finds the wall, he dies and makes a new copy, repeat cycle.

 

Why do people still ask this question? Don't people understand that infinite loop has no beginning?

The same happened when people tried to understand time travelling in Harry Potter 3.

 

There is no 'point of origin'. There can't be any beginnings, it's a loop. A circle has no beginning.

Xehanort always got the power from his future self. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger.

And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger. And where did that one get the power? From his future self when he was younger... and so Ad infinitum

 

 

@Kello

Different shows, different rules for time travel.

Here's my theory: Keyblades can open any lock, even the locks that time puts on everything. By unlocking those locks, one can travel to anytime period. I dunno if that makes any sense, I just made that up.

That makes the most sense out of all of them.

I love it when things become more confusing; in all seriousness I get what you are saying and agree with you. Overall; it's one aspect that really wasn't needed and supports my theory that square are taking something strong at times

@Hero of Light

If you want to go with DW logic then I remember the " infinite time loop" used in Heaven Sent.

There was a point of origin. The first time the Doctor was sent inside the confession dial. Slowly finding and making clues, for later use by his future versions, once he discovered there was a copy of him in the hard drive. If the wall could not be destroyed then it was going to be an infinite time loop with the Doctor finding the way with that first version's clues, at the end the wall regenerates and the cycle begins again. Future version finds clues left behind by the first version until he finds the wall, he dies and makes a new copy, repeat cycle.

 

 

@Kello

Different shows, different rules for time travel.

Ah, but then who wrote Beethoven's 5th? Savvy? X)

 

And to that I say that sometimes in a scribble you may accidentally have made a perfect circle. It's beginning point and ending point need not necessarily be the same beginning and ending points of the scribble itself, but it has it's own beginning and ending within that mess for itself.

 

Though I'm pretty sure it was just the Doctor himself being repeated while the time of the confession dial was continuing on uninterrupted. But it was Timelordy stuff so who knows?

Edited May 21, 20169 yr by Hero of Light XIV

And the magic doors that just say "firetruck the rules"?

Well if there are any fans of the Flash on this site then u probably also believe in alternate timelines. Xehanort did say that some of his plans were just a few of many that he chose from. Maybe xehanort tried time travel before but he messed up so he tried again. But predestination paradox is another awesome theory one that probably makes way more sense, we just gotta wait for nomura to explain.

My head already blew up when DDD tried explaining it,

 

This thread is now making my heart blow up.

Edited May 23, 20169 yr by TheKeyofRose

Looks like you have also learned from Life is Strange .