The extended version of the Big Hero 6 trailer made me rethink who the guardians of light and thirteen darknesses will be.  I decided to start by listing everyone who is either a Xehanort (Master Xehanort and Young Xehanort), a form of Xehanort (Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, and Xemnas), or has something associated with Xehanort (yellow eyes, silver hair, black coat).  I decided to list when a character has yellow eyes, silver hair, and/or a black coat, even for characters who are Xehanort or a form of Xehanort.

 

1.   Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

      - Black Coat

2.   Xemnas

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

      - Black Coat

3.   Young Xehanort

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

      - Black Coat

4.   Marluxia

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Black Coat

5.   Vanitas

      - Black Coat

6.   Larxene

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Black Coat

7.   Aqua

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

8.   Braig/Xigbar

      - Yellow Eye

      - Black Coat

9.   Luxord

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Black Coat

10. Even/Vexen

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Black Coat

11. Demyx

      - Black Coat

12. Data-Riku (we don't know for sure if this is Data-Riku yet)

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair (Data-Riku already had silver hair)

      - Black Coat (Data-Riku already wore a black coat)

13. Master Xehanort

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

14. Ansem the Wise

      - Black Coat

15. Isa/Saix

      - Yellow Eyes (we don't see his eyes in the trailer, but thanks to Dream Drop Distance, we know he has yellow eyes)

      - Black Coat

16. Terra

      - Yellow Eyes (we don't see his eyes in the trailer, but I think it is safe to assume that he still has yellow eyes if he still has silver hair)

      - Silver Hair

17. Roxas

      - Black Coat

 

Obviously, all of these characters can't be seekers of darkness.  There can only be thirteen.  So, who can we rule out?  I think we can rule out Even/Vexen, even though he has yellow eyes.  He was one of the people who appeared as a complete person again in Radiant Garden in Dream Drop Distance.  In one of the new cutscenes added to the Re:coded movie in Kingdom Hearts 2.5, Braig asks Young Xehanort who he should take with him of those who returned as complete people in Radiant Garden.  We didn't hear who Young Xehanort told Braig to bring with him, but we know that Isa ended up being missing in Dream Drop Distance and was revealed to be one of the seekers of darkness at the end of the game.  Because of this.  I think it is safe to rule Even out as a seeker of darkness.  And since Even is talking to Demyx, I think that it is safe to assume that Demyx isn't a seeker of darkness either.

 

However, if Even isn't a seeker of darkness, why does he have yellow eyes?  I think that he might be trying to infiltrate the seekers of darkness and to do so his eyes were turned yellow in order to fool the seekers of darkness.  But why would he be doing this?  I think that he is following the orders of Ansem the Wise.  We see Demyx return to Radiant Garden through a Corridor of Darkness with Ienzo in front of him.  We also see Ansem the Wise approach Ienzo.  If Ansem the Wise, Ienzo, and Demyx are all in Radiant Garden, I think that they are working together.  And since we see Even talking to Demyx about someone's plan, I think that the person with the plan is Ansem the Wise, and Even is also working with him.

 

I also think that we can rule out Aqua.  We briefly see her out of the Realm of Darkness and not corrupted by darkness, which I think means that she has been saved by this point in the game.  And if she's been saved by this point in the game, then I don't think she will be one of the seekers of darkness.

 

So, that's four characters who have been ruled out, which leaves us with thirteen characters:

 

1.   Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

2.   Xemnas

3.   Young Xehanort

4.   Marluxia

5.   Vanitas

6.   Larxene

7.   Braig/Xigbar

8.   Luxord

9.   Data-Riku (?)

10. Master Xehanort

11. Isa/Saix

12. Terra

13. Roxas (?)

 

I'm not going to try to figure out who the guardians of light are because I feel like I don't have enough to go on, but these are who I think the seekers of darkness will be.  What do you guys think?

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by Dagesh Lene

they way things are looks like the entire old organisation is part of the new one contrary to what they claimed in ddd

There is another sign, pointy ears shared by Master Xehanort, Xigbar, and Saix.

*facepalms* This fanbase....

 

Demyx's eyes are yellow. Literally zoom in when he's carrying someone. Yellow eyes. He's in the True Organization. Same with Vexen. Roxas shouldn't be on there as we don't know his eye color. Terra has no black coat. Aqua has no black coat and may get saved before the clash. We know Vanitas has yellow eyes under the mask.

 

So in short the True Organization XIII is

 

1. Master Xehanort

2. Young Xehanort

3. Ansem SoD

4. Xemnas

5. Xigbar

6. Vexen

7. Vanitas

8. Rikunort

9. Saix

10. Demyx

11. Luxord

12. Marluxia

13. Larxene

 

Unless any changes occur, this is the 13. Excluding the leader Xehanort, the vessels all wear black coats like an Organization members, yellow eyes and pointy ears(Vanitas obviously has some under his mask at this point)

 

At best Aqua and Terra may be some sort of backups or used for other purposes similar to Xion being used by the original Organization XIII.

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by Wyatt Tyson

At best Aqua and Terra may be some sort of backups or used for other purposes similar to Xion being used by the original Organization XIII.

 

To be fair, Terra technically already takes up two SoD slots, being both Ansem SoD and Xemnas.

Data Riku is Jimmy's Journal. It's most likely Riku-Replica from Chain of Memories. Plus, in the new trailer he said "We've always been trying to one-up each other." Sounds more like Riku-Replica than Data Riku. In Chain of Memories Riku-Replica desires to be the real thing and he was determined to defeat the real Riku no matter what. Even after protecting Namine and be on good terms with Sora. Riku-Replica was brainwashed (I think) by Axel and try to defeat Riku one last time before he was killed by the real Riku.

I'm saying this:

 

1. Master Xehanort

2. Young Xehanort

3. Ansem

4. Xemnas

5. Saix

6. Terranort

7. Xigbar

8. Vexen

9. Demyx

10. Larxene
11. Vanitas

12. Marluxia

13. Xion

 

I'm not sure if data-riku/riku replica will be a darkness.

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by KH4Real

I think you can remove Aqua, Roxas, Terra and Ansem the Wise (Aqua will be saved, I don't feel like Roxas wearing a coat means anything, Ansem wears the coat to protect himself from the Darkness for all we know - although it would be crazy if he ended up turning against Aqua in the Realm of Darkness    - and Terra wasn't wearing the coat so this could be a flashback...I believe Terra will be saved anyway). That leaves us with 13 members. So my list is:

1. Master Xehanort

2. Young Xehanort

3. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

4. Xemnas

5. Xigbar/Braig

6. Saïx/Isa

7. Marluxia

8. Larxene

9. Demyx

10. Even/Vexen

11. Luxord

12. Other Riku

13. Vanitas

 

BTW, Demyx's eyes were also yellow so definitely norted.

Edited September 18, 20187 yr by PrinceNoctis

*facepalms* This fanbase....

 

Demyx's eyes are yellow. Literally zoom in when he's carrying someone. Yellow eyes. He's in the True Organization. Same with Vexen. Roxas shouldn't be on there as we don't know his eye color. Terra has no black coat. Aqua has no black coat and may get saved before the clash. We know Vanitas has yellow eyes under the mask.

 

So in short the True Organization XIII is

 

1. Master Xehanort

2. Young Xehanort

3. Ansem SoD

4. Xemnas

5. Xigbar

6. Vexen

7. Vanitas

8. Rikunort

9. Saix

10. Demyx

11. Luxord

12. Marluxia

13. Larxene

 

Unless any changes occur, this is the 13. Excluding the leader Xehanort, the vessels all wear black coats like an Organization members, yellow eyes and pointy ears(Vanitas obviously has some under his mask at this point)

 

At best Aqua and Terra may be some sort of backups or used for other purposes similar to Xion being used by the original Organization XIII.

 

There's no need to get upset.  I know very well that I could be completely wrong.  In fact, I'm expecting to be.  When I watched the trailer, I thought that Demyx eyes were closed.  Now that you point that out to me, I can see his yellow eyes.  I'm still not sure if Vexen and Demyx are seekers of darkness though.  It just seems strange to me that Demyx is returning to Radiant Garden with someone, to the same room where Ienzo is, and appears to be talking to Ienzo as he does so when we know that Ienzo is not a seeker of darkness and is, in fact, helping Sora, Donald, and Goofy.  Since it seems that Ansem the Wise may have been able to alter his appearance as DiZ (since his skin was a darker shade and he didn't appear to have a beard anymore), maybe he did the same to Vexen and Demyx.  It's a stretch, but I think that it's at least a possibility.

 

I really don't think we know for sure who the seekers of darkness are yet.  If it is the thirteen you say, then who was Ansem and Xigbar talking about?  They were talking about destroying someone if that person strays from the path, which would mean they would need another vessel.  I don't think they could have been talking about any of those thirteen unless one of the thirteen is the replacement for the one they were talking about and they ended up having to destroy the original member.

 

When we look at the pieces on the chessboard at the beginning of the trailer, the piece that Young Xehanort sets down to declare a checkmate most looks like the Keychain on the Ends of the Earth Keyblade, which is Terra's Keyblade.  This could mean that Terra is one of the seekers of darkness.  Either that, or it's the Lingering Will.  Also, just because we haven't seen Terra and Aqua wearing black coats doesn't mean they aren't seekers of darkness.  Vanitas isn't wearing a black coat in this trailer, but we know that he's a seeker of darkness.

 

But again, these are just my thoughts on what has been revealed so far.  It is very likely that I am wrong, and I am fully expecting to be wrong.

I don't think those scenes with non-norted Aqua are after she's saved, but are flashbacks to how she got norted in the first place. First we see her fighting the Guardian without a Keyblade, meaning somewhere between Blank Points and this scene she looses the Master Keeper (which is then how it ends up on Destiny Islands). But, the Guardian grabs her and presumably either beats her, or tosses her, we don't know yet. So this could be her getting beaten and knocked out, which then leads to the next scene. Her unconscious in front of Vanitas holding his Keyblade above her. This could also be leading up to her being norted. I highly doubt they'd spend all this time on the big reveal of the norted Aqua since E3, only to then show that she had been saved at TGS, seems like it'd be too spoilery of a reveal.

I don't think those scenes with non-norted Aqua are after she's saved, but are flashbacks to how she got norted in the first place. First we see her fighting the Guardian without a Keyblade, meaning somewhere between Blank Points and this scene she looses the Master Keeper (which is then how it ends up on Destiny Islands). But, the Guardian grabs her and presumably either beats her, or tosses her, we don't know yet. So this could be her getting beaten and knocked out, which then leads to the next scene. Her unconscious in front of Vanitas holding his Keyblade above her. This could also be leading up to her being norted. I highly doubt they'd spend all this time on the big reveal of the norted Aqua since E3, only to then show that she had been saved at TGS, seems like it'd be too spoilery of a reveal.

 

I think you're right.  I don't think I stopped to think things through completely.  So, this is now who I think will be in the guardians of light and seekers of darkness:

 

Guardians of Light

 

1. King Mickey

2. Sora

3. Riku

4. Kairi

5. Lea

6. Ventus

7. Terra

 

Seekers of Darkness

 

1.   Master Xehanort

2.   Young Xehanort

3.   Vanitas

4.   Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

5.   Xemnas

6.   Braig/Xigbar

7.   Isa/Saix

8.   Luxord

9.   Marluxia

10. Larxene

11. Roxas

12. Aqua

13. Data-Riku

 

This is what makes the most sense to me right now.  So, this is what I'm sticking with until more information shows up that makes me change my mind or until I'm proven wrong (which is what will probably end up happening; in fact, I will be surprised if I am not proven wrong).

theres to many potential members trust normua not to keep whos in and not simple

I think you can remove Aqua, Roxas, Terra and Ansem the Wise (Aqua will be saved, I don't feel like Roxas wearing a coat means anything, Ansem wears the coat to protect himself from the Darkness for all we know - although it would be crazy if he ended up turning against Aqua in the Realm of Darkness    - and Terra wasn't wearing the coat so this could be a flashback...I believe Terra will be saved anyway). That leaves us with 13 members. So my list is:

1. Master Xehanort

2. Young Xehanort

3. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

4. Xemnas

5. Xigbar/Braig

6. Saïx/Isa

7. Marluxia

8. Larxene

9. Demyx

10. Even/Vexen

11. Luxord

12. Other Riku

13. Vanitas

 

BTW, Demyx's eyes were also yellow so definitely norted.

This post speaks logic and accuracy. This is basically the 13 Seekers of Darknesses. Terra, Aqua, Roxas and Ansem the Wise are not members.

The extended version of the Big Hero 6 trailer made me rethink who the guardians of light and thirteen darknesses will be.  I decided to start by listing everyone who is either a Xehanort (Master Xehanort and Young Xehanort), a form of Xehanort (Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, and Xemnas), or has something associated with Xehanort (yellow eyes, silver hair, black coat).  I decided to list when a character has yellow eyes, silver hair, and/or a black coat, even for characters who are Xehanort or a form of Xehanort.

 

1.   Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

      - Black Coat

2.   Xemnas

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

      - Black Coat

3.   Young Xehanort

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

      - Black Coat

4.   Marluxia

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Black Coat

5.   Vanitas

      - Black Coat

6.   Larxene

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Black Coat

7.   Aqua

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

8.   Braig/Xigbar

      - Yellow Eye

      - Black Coat

9.   Luxord

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Black Coat

10. Even/Vexen

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Black Coat

11. Demyx

      - Black Coat

12. Data-Riku (we don't know for sure if this is Data-Riku yet)

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair (Data-Riku already had silver hair)

      - Black Coat (Data-Riku already wore a black coat)

13. Master Xehanort

      - Yellow Eyes

      - Silver Hair

14. Ansem the Wise

      - Black Coat

15. Isa/Saix

      - Yellow Eyes (we don't see his eyes in the trailer, but thanks to Dream Drop Distance, we know he has yellow eyes)

      - Black Coat

16. Terra

      - Yellow Eyes (we don't see his eyes in the trailer, but I think it is safe to assume that he still has yellow eyes if he still has silver hair)

      - Silver Hair

17. Roxas

      - Black Coat

 

Obviously, all of these characters can't be seekers of darkness.  There can only be thirteen.  So, who can we rule out?  I think we can rule out Even/Vexen, even though he has yellow eyes.  He was one of the people who appeared as a complete person again in Radiant Garden in Dream Drop Distance.  In one of the new cutscenes added to the Re:coded movie in Kingdom Hearts 2.5, Braig asks Young Xehanort who he should take with him of those who returned as complete people in Radiant Garden.  We didn't hear who Young Xehanort told Braig to bring with him, but we know that Isa ended up being missing in Dream Drop Distance and was revealed to be one of the seekers of darkness at the end of the game.  Because of this.  I think it is safe to rule Even out as a seeker of darkness.  And since Even is talking to Demyx, I think that it is safe to assume that Demyx isn't a seeker of darkness either.

 

However, if Even isn't a seeker of darkness, why does he have yellow eyes?  I think that he might be trying to infiltrate the seekers of darkness and to do so his eyes were turned yellow in order to fool the seekers of darkness.  But why would he be doing this?  I think that he is following the orders of Ansem the Wise.  We see Demyx return to Radiant Garden through a Corridor of Darkness with Ienzo in front of him.  We also see Ansem the Wise approach Ienzo.  If Ansem the Wise, Ienzo, and Demyx are all in Radiant Garden, I think that they are working together.  And since we see Even talking to Demyx about someone's plan, I think that the person with the plan is Ansem the Wise, and Even is also working with him.

 

I also think that we can rule out Aqua.  We briefly see her out of the Realm of Darkness and not corrupted by darkness, which I think means that she has been saved by this point in the game.  And if she's been saved by this point in the game, then I don't think she will be one of the seekers of darkness.

 

So, that's four characters who have been ruled out, which leaves us with thirteen characters:

 

1.   Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

2.   Xemnas

3.   Young Xehanort

4.   Marluxia

5.   Vanitas

6.   Larxene

7.   Braig/Xigbar

8.   Luxord

9.   Data-Riku (?)

10. Master Xehanort

11. Isa/Saix

12. Terra

13. Roxas (?)

 

I'm not going to try to figure out who the guardians of light are because I feel like I don't have enough to go on, but these are who I think the seekers of darkness will be.  What do you guys think?

 

Demyx and Vexen... I'm 99% sure they're not SoD as I believe that they are working together and changed their eye color to foul the Organization or something, just like your theory. If we think about it, Even was with Lea when the latter woke up in Radiant Garden in KH3D and at that point the SoDs until the 12th were already seated in Where Nothing Gathers in TWTNW. So either Vexen would be the 13th Darkness (which I think is really unlikely) or he is not a SoD and he's just trying to foul them.

Edited September 19, 20187 yr by Richypiants02

I - Master Xehanort

II - Young Xehanort

III - Xemnas

IV - Ansem

V - Xigbar

VI - Saïx
VII - Marluxia

VIII - Vanitas

IX - Larxene

X - Luxord

XI - Vexen

XII - Demyx

XIII - Data Riku

 

For me is simple as that. 

Even though Aqua got norted or whatever, I do still think she will end up being a guardian. Since I think Xehanort just wants backups. But who knows? Just a theory.