The Old Mansion in Twilight Town, going in in-game chronology

• We don't know where Ven was born, the earliest we ever see him is training under Master Xehanort
• A decade passes, more than enough time for a pleasant Mansion to became old, abandoned, and presumed haunted.
• When Roxas comes into being he pops up in Twilight Town, right outside the mansion
• In CoM Ventus creates a Twilight Town from the memories on the other side of Sora's heart. Now in Days Roxas never goes there more than about 10 times (as far as plot goes, extra heartless etc. not withstanding) and most of these haven't yet occurred. Since Sora and Ven share a connection it's reasonable to consider Ventus was talking about memories Sora has because of Ven. And the only area of importance in this illusory floor is the Mansion.
• In KHII's Twilight Town there are odd KH related symbols in various places

Obviously none of this is conclusive, or even probably important, but it is interesting in my opinion, as it explains why the games with it seem to have it be such an important point.

This actually makes sense, i now believe the Old Mansion is his house! Time to play KH2 and look for stuff.

 

Edit: I like this theory even more now, it makes total sense. You, sir, just won the internet.

Edited August 18, 201213 yr by Xirog

Wow, cool...

I"m not sure if the Old Masion was his house, but I"m willing to bet that Twilight Town is where he's from, so the Old Mansion might have been an important place. IT might have been where Xehanort set up his home after first becoming a Master, cause that big place for one kid is ridiculous, bu that big place for an old man who's throwing himself into research, not so much. Ven may have learned of Xehanort's abilities and heard rumors of him and went to check him out.

well it is said that TT is the same as traverse town...a world that appears to those in need of it

 

EDIT:I thought Vexen gave Sora the card of TT...been a while since I've played Re:CoM so I don't remember if it was Vexen or not

and about point nr 5...which are the odd things? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.png

Edited August 18, 201213 yr by kristi-swat

You make a very excellent point.

It would make a lot of sense if he lived there.

I want to see what the Mansion looked like before it was abandoned unu

You sir have blown my mind...

I like your thinking!

 

that big place for one kid is ridiculous,

 

Ven could easliy have had a rich family with lots of siblings or something. That would explain the big house? Just because the game ignores family relations pretty well doesn't mean Ven had to live in the mansion by himself.

Edited August 18, 201213 yr by Zola

very nice theory! this could be true!! :DD

The Old Mansion in Twilight Town, going in in-game chronology

• We don't know where Ven was born, the earliest we ever see him is training under Master Xehanort

• A decade passes, more than enough time for a pleasant Mansion to became old, abandoned, and presumed haunted.

• When Roxas comes into being he pops up in Twilight Town, right outside the mansion

• In CoM Ventus creates a Twilight Town from the memories on the other side of Sora's heart. Now in Days Roxas never goes there more than about 10 times (as far as plot goes, extra heartless etc. not withstanding) and most of these haven't yet occurred. Since Sora and Ven share a connection it's reasonable to consider Ventus was talking about memories Sora has because of Ven. And the only area of importance in this illusory floor is the Mansion.

• In KHII's Twilight Town there are odd KH related symbols in various places

Obviously none of this is conclusive, or even probably important, but it is interesting in my opinion, as it explains why the games with it seem to have it be such an important point.

 

 

I never thought of that......

well it is said that TT is the same as traverse town...a world that appears to those in need of it

 

EDIT:I thought Vexen gave Sora the card of TT...been a while since I've played Re:CoM so I don't remember if it was Vexen or not

and about point nr 5...which are the odd things? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.png

 

I read that Vexen gave him the card made out of Roxas memories, but i believe with that, it's probably Ventus memories inside Sora.

 

Edit: Also, Twilight Town is right in the middle of the Realm Between, close to the Land of Departure, which could make it easier for Ventus to be found by MX.

 

Hey, now... Wait... If Twilight Town is in the Realm Between, which is close to The Land of Departure, it means it is close from Castle Oblivion!

Which: (BBS SPOILERS:)

 

 

Means Ventus is sleeping near Twilight Town at the moment, isn't he?

 

 

Edited August 18, 201213 yr by Xirog

This theory was all ready made like... two years ago, right after BBS came out.

 

Sorry kid, you're not the first to think of this. I'll go find the original link....

 

EDIT:

 

Okay, so it actaully wasn't 2 years ago, but I still found it: http://kh13.com/forum/topic/22683-could-ventuss-homeworld-be-twilight-town/

 

And I just want to quote what Oishii said in link above because she made a very interesting point:

I've always like the idea of Ventus being from Twilight town. Like I've said somewhere else, I think Master Xehanort would have been drawn to that world to search for someone to use to forge the X-blade given the world's balance of light and dark.

 

And you never know that the reason Roxas was born there was because Ven's heart lead him there. Ven likes to drag people around to places he knows, like taking Aqua to Land of Departure in the final episode.

 

Edited August 18, 201213 yr by wayfinder823

That... makes so much sense O-O

 

In the japanese official novel of BBS volume 3, it is revealed that Ven is actually an orphan that never saw his parents. So what if the old Mansion was actually an orphanage? O: Maybe while Xehanort was looking for a pupil, he visited TT's orphanage (old mansion) and took Ven..

 

My God thanks man, this gives it a whole new perspective

 

Reference from BBS novel Volume 3: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7075624/1/DARK_MEMORY_The_Truth_of_Vanitas_Behind_the_Game

This theory was all ready made like... two years ago, right after BBS came out.

 

Sorry kid, you're not the first to think of this. I'll go find the original link....

 

OMGWHOCARES!

well it is said that TT is the same as traverse town...a world that appears to those in need of it

 

This was never said. They are both from the realm between, but Traverse Town is the only one with that property.

 

Anyways, why is everyone treating each of these like evidence?

1. Yes, but not evidence

2. Yes, but not evidence

3. Yes, and I personally find this to be the strongest evidence.

4. Once again, not really evidence, but it works with the theory.

5. Not sure if this is true, but it still doesn't seem to be evidence.

 

@Gambler'sAprentice: Sorry to sorta repeat what you already said about conclusive evidence, everybody already said how interesting this was and I thought I would put up something a bit more original.

This was never said. They are both from the realm between, but Traverse Town is the only one with that property.

 

Anyways, why is everyone treating each of these like evidence?

1. Yes, but not evidence

2. Yes, but not evidence

3. Yes, and I personally find this to be the strongest evidence.

4. Once again, not really evidence, but it works with the theory.

5. Not sure if this is true, but it still doesn't seem to be evidence.

 

@Gambler'sAprentice: Sorry to sorta repeat what you already said about conclusive evidence, everybody already said how interesting this was and I thought I would put up something a bit more original.

 

I don't think we are treating it like evidence, i think we are treating it like a great theory.

well it is said that TT is the same as traverse town

 

You mean Twilight Town and Destiny Islands, right?

You mean Twilight Town and Destiny Islands, right?

 

...Wait, what?

@kristi-swa: This site talks about it, most of it probably isn't relevant, but the mansion does seem rather weird after reading it.

http://kh-vids.net/threads/the-old-mansion-in-twilight-town-connected-to-bbs.40913/

 

@Wayfinder823: I wasn't under the impression I had a revolutionary idea, merely that it was not a common one, nor one I had seen laid out with the indicators clearly explained.

 

@KeyStrike: This is an idle musing that struck me while playing Re:CoM in Twilight Town. I doubt it is even important to the plot, if it were my standards for proof would be higher, yes it's basically all circumstantial, but it lets us consider interesting things. Like if Ven would know Hayner, Pence, and Olette, or maybe their parents.

I read that Vexen gave him the card made out of Roxas memories, but i believe with that, it's probably Ventus memories inside Sora.

 

Edit: Also, Twilight Town is right in the middle of the Realm Between, close to the Land of Departure, which could make it easier for Ventus to be found by MX.

 

Hey, now... Wait... If Twilight Town is in the Realm Between, which is close to The Land of Departure, it means it is close from Castle Oblivion!

Which: (BBS SPOILERS:)

 

 

Means Ventus is sleeping near Twilight Town at the moment, isn't he?

 

 

 

But the deal is that when Roxas was created KH 1 events were still happening so when Roxas was created in TT he formed memory of that place so it's from Roxas memories...The reports of the game are never wrong...and I don't remember if Roxas went to TT mission up until the day he faded which indicated that Sora was put to sleep

 

 

well he might be near but only Aqua can find him

 

You mean Twilight Town and Destiny Islands, right?

 

no meaning that both TT's are the same...places to help those in need

But the only way Roxas' memories could influence Sora would be if they had some sort of two-way real-time mental link. After the events in CoM for Sora, Roxas starts receiving Sora's memories of past events, rather than sleeping. But if Ven had memories of Twilight Town then when his heart joined with Sora thier could have been some mixing, so Sora would remember in a subconscious sort of way Twilight Town. And especially since Roxas could barely remember his first few days I'd find it hard to believe Sora could do it for him.

But the deal is that when Roxas was created KH 1 events were still happening so when Roxas was created in TT he formed memory of that place so it's from Roxas memories...The reports of the game are never wrong...and I don't remember if Roxas went to TT mission up until the day he faded which indicated that Sora was put to sleep

 

 

well he might be near but only Aqua can find him

 

 

I am sorry but i couldn't understand exactly due to your english...

But the only way Roxas' memories could influence Sora would be if they had some sort of two-way real-time mental link. After the events in CoM for Sora, Roxas starts receiving Sora's memories of past events, rather than sleeping. But if Ven had memories of Twilight Town then when his heart joined with Sora thier could have been some mixing, so Sora would remember in a subconscious sort of way Twilight Town. And especially since Roxas could barely remember his first few days I'd find it hard to believe Sora could do it for him.

 

it doesn't need to Roxas to remember or not...the memory is inside him so Vexen being a scientist collected that memory of TT and made it as a card and that would explain it all

 

I can't remember now...In which game does Sora say when he catches a glimpse of TT or enters there and says:"I think I've been here before"?...or was that at hollow bastion at kh1??...'cause there are a lot of games now and can't remember all cutscenes

 

I am sorry but i couldn't understand exactly due to your english...

 

what's wrong with my english??? "

 

anyways since you didn't understand I'll explain it once more

Sora became a heartless ==> Roxas was created at TT ==> Roxas creates memory of TT ==> This memory was created when KH1 events were still in play ==> Vexen made the world card from Roxas's memory and gave it to Sora...it isn't neccessary for Roxas to remember TT

Edited August 18, 201213 yr by kristi-swat

what's wrong with my english??? "

 

anyways since you didn't understand I'll explain it once more

Sora became a heartless ==> Roxas was created at TT ==> Roxas creates memory of TT ==> This memory was created when KH1 events were still in play ==> Vexen made the world card from Roxas's memory and gave it to Sora...it isn't neccessary for Roxas to remember TT

 

I just didn't understood, honestly.

So, yeah, what i think is Roxas didn't ''created'' the memory of Twilight Town, i think he earned it from Ventus's memories/heart.

In KHI in Deep Jungle when they show a slide of Hollow Bastion (because reasons) he says it looks familiar. In KHII aster leaving the mansion he says Twilight Town looks familiar, in both cases he had the person's heart in him when he recognized the location. And Vexen said it was created from Sora's heart, simply the other side of it. Now this could mean Sora's Nobody, but that's somewhat odd phraseology, or he could be lying, but it's illogical to just assume that, and considering Vexen's character he would tell the truth, so he could lord his knowledge over Sora. Also it would require Vexen to either leave CO for a bit and rifle through Roxas' memoires, which I don't recall happening in Days, or he'd have grabbed them in Roxas' first week, which requires an incredible amount of foresight.