...was because he touched Ventus's Wooden Keyblade in BBS, right? Or not? BTW, I like him with his chakrarms (sorry if spelled wrong) much more...Really, guys: almost every main character now has a Keyblade, even ones who we wouldn't imagine...

Actually, Lea is one of the few people outside of Sora that I feel I can understand how he got his keyblade. If the weapon comes to those with a strong heart, then the fact that Lea goes from a self centered hitman to someone who genuinely cares about others, goes out of his way to save Mickey and Minnie, and basically turns his life around, it feels like he actually managed to earn the weapon. And, I might add, earn it on his own merits, which is as it should be: I hate the idea that BBS created where you get the keyblade because someone gave it to you, basically.

Actually, Lea is one of the few people outside of Sora that I feel I can understand how he got his keyblade. If the weapon comes to those with a strong heart, then the fact that Lea goes from a self centered hitman to someone who genuinely cares about others, goes out of his way to save Mickey and Minnie, and basically turns his life around, it feels like he actually managed to earn the weapon. And, I might add, earn it on his own merits, which is as it should be: I hate the idea that BBS created where you get the keyblade because someone gave it to you, basically.

But, if going this way, ANYBODY can wield a Keyblade, right? Even Donald and Goofy...

But, if going this way, ANYBODY can wield a Keyblade, right? Even Donald and Goofy...

 

It would seem so. But the way I see it, no one seemed to have a problem about it until Lea got one, in spite of nearly every game in the series introducing a new wielding character at one point or another. So at this point, we might as well embrace that it's a thing that's been going on for as long as the series has.

It would seem so. But the way I see it, no one seemed to have a problem about it until Lea got one, in spite of nearly every game in the series introducing a new wielding character at one point or another. So at this point, we might as well embrace that it's a thing that's been going on for as long as the series has.

Then I guess all 13 darknesses will have a Keyblade at one point in KH3: Ansem, Xemnas, Xigbar, Isa...

Lea (Axel) ended up playing an unexpected role. I was wondering what was running through your mind when you thought to make him a Keyblade wielder.

Nomura: I figured since he had returned to being human, he wouldn’t have much luck bringing back the people he wanted without some sort of power. Throwing his chakrams doesn’t really count. (Laughs.)

— It’d be bad if he started a fire, huh? (Laughs.) Is he still able to pass through the Corridors of Darkness like before?

Nomura: Diz is also human and can pass through the Corridors of Darkness. Since Lea has the memories of being Axel, he saw the message Ansem wrote on the wall in Radiant Garden and thought that was the only way he could travel. Of course, using the Corridors frequently is dangerous.

— After that, he came to Yen Sid hoping to train.

Nomura: Yes. Since the Mysterious Tower is in an unknown spot, first you have to enter via King Mickey’s world. After that, they’re training in a place where time flows differently, managed by Merlin, the great magician who can exceed time, as well as the Fairies.

— Did he have any prior knowledge?

Nomura: In order to wield a Keyblade, the most important requirement is to be “the owner of a strong heart.” Regardless if it’s a good heart or a bad heart, a strong heart is necessary. Right now there are a lot of things that Lea wants to regain. That desire is connected to the strength of his heart.

— Even though Axel had been eliminated in Kingdom Hearts II, since that time, had you considered having him appear again in his human form Lea?

Nomura: I thought a lot about that. Should I leave him as he was or should I bring him back again? However, when I considered the people that Lea wants to bring back, his existence plays a big role. I think Lea has successively become a key character.

 

Why did Lea visit Disney Castle when he should have been looking for his friend?

Nomura: To search for his friend he needed the power to move between worlds, and there is no way to do that other than become a Keyblade Wielder. At the time, wanting to be made a Keyblade Wielder, Lea saw a message recorded by Ansem the Wise in the past and, knowing it was dangerous, used the Corridors of Darkness once more to go talk with King Mickey and the others. That’s why after Maleficent left he was asking at the Mysterious Tower.

— So, in ‘The King Departs’, when Yen Sid said ‘great sorcerers and fairies have hastened the flow of time in a different place for you’…

Nomura: Upon request, those who can manipulate time, Merlin and the three fairies who appeared in KH2, changed the flow of time in a special place, and there Lea received hastened training in order to be able to use the Keyblade, basically. In the original scenario, we had planned to have Lea able to use the Keyblade when he ran to Sora.

 

 

He did NOT get his keyblade from Ven . He went to Yen Sid and it was implied he was given the ceremony. Then he had to wait for a keyblade to judge and choose him .In the meantime he was trained by Merlin and the faeries in a special time chamber to speed up his training .

Edited November 15, 201410 yr by Flaming Lea

How do you figure Lea went to Yen Sid to get a keyblade Yen Sid obviously preformed the Inheritance Ceromony.

Actually, Lea is one of the few people outside of Sora that I feel I can understand how he got his keyblade. If the weapon comes to those with a strong heart, then the fact that Lea goes from a self centered hitman to someone who genuinely cares about others, goes out of his way to save Mickey and Minnie, and basically turns his life around, it feels like he actually managed to earn the weapon. And, I might add, earn it on his own merits, which is as it should be: I hate the idea that BBS created where you get the keyblade because someone gave it to you, basically.

Well that's not entirely true getting the Inheritance Ceremony doesn't automatically give you a Keyblade it only grants you the ability to wield one. From there it completely up to the Keyblade to chose whether or not the wielder is worthy of possessing it. So even with the ceremony one way or another the Keyblade has to be earned.

Actually, Lea is one of the few people outside of Sora that I feel I can understand how he got his keyblade. If the weapon comes to those with a strong heart, then the fact that Lea goes from a self centered hitman to someone who genuinely cares about others, goes out of his way to save Mickey and Minnie, and basically turns his life around, it feels like he actually managed to earn the weapon. And, I might add, earn it on his own merits, which is as it should be: I hate the idea that BBS created where you get the keyblade because someone gave it to you, basically.

 Couldn't agree more ! Btw the keyblade has to also choose you .It's not a guarantee

Edited November 15, 201410 yr by Flaming Lea

How do you figure Lea went to Yen Sid to get a keyblade Yen Sid obviously preformed the Inheritance Ceromony.Well that's not entirely true getting the Inheritance Ceremony doesn't automatically give you a Keyblade it only grants you the ability to wield one. From there it completely up to the Keyblade to chose whether or not the wielder is worthy of possessing it. So even with the ceremony one way or another the Keyblade has to be earned.

 

Yes, but I'm still not wild about the idea of having a third party in there. I think it should be based around the abilities of the person earning it alone.

Why do people keep bringing up the wooden Keyblade while talking about this topic??? It's a toy, a keepsake. It doesn't have any special powers.

Yes, but I'm still not wild about the idea of having a third party in there. I think it should be based around the abilities of the person earning it alone.

Well seeing how the Keyblade itself is a man made object it makes sense for them to be the ones to pass down the trait. Though I understand your mentality to an extent lol. 

Then I guess all 13 darknesses will have a Keyblade at one point in KH3: Ansem, Xemnas, Xigbar, Isa...

I doubt it Master Xehanort has the ability to possess any of his vessels immediately given the vessel access to his Keyblade. So essentially all of his his vessels will be able to use Master Xehanort's Keyblade.

Edited November 15, 201410 yr by devereauxr

Stepping out of the darkness and joining Team-Light give him the ability to create he's own keyblade.

Why do people keep bringing up the wooden Keyblade while talking about this topic??? It's a toy, a keepsake. It doesn't have any special powers.

The moment you mentioned "toy" I immediately remembered Vanitas

...was because he touched Ventus's Wooden Keyblade in BBS, right? Or not? BTW, I like him with his chakrarms (sorry if spelled wrong) much more...Really, guys: almost every main character now has a Keyblade, even ones who we wouldn't imagine...

No, the wooden Keybade is just a training tool, it doesn't have any of the powers a real Keyblade does, that includes the power to choose  a wielder.

He got it from Yen Sid.

Nomura: Yes. Since the Mysterious Tower is in an unknown spot, first you have to enter via King Mickey’s world. After that, they’re training in a place where time flows differently, managed by Merlin, the great magician who can exceed time, as well as the Fairies.

^ Logic fail Nomura. Logic. Fail. If you have to go through Disney Castle to get to the Mysterious Tower, then how did Sora get there from Twilight Town, huh?I'm usually behind you when you pull crazy stunts, I even don't mind that Merlin doesn't have to follow the laws of time travel, since every version of the character has the power to manipulate time (often in the form of "living backwards through time", whatever that means) But this time you've left a hole.

Edited December 23, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

I'm not sure if that's exactly the reason that he inherited it, but the exact rules haven't been stated in full yet, so who knows? Maybe it's a loophole. Or you can just learn it, we don't know if Mickey ever touched a Keyblade before he trained with Yen-Sid.

 

And I'm quite fine with Lea having a Keyblade over Chakrams. Although maybe he can do a mix of both? It would be interesting to see how he adapts from a dual weapon to a single blade in his own creative fashion. And really, Keybearers are supposed to be really scarce by this point in the timeline anyway, so the more Keybearers you can get, the better. That's like saying after Star Wars Episode III that there's too many Jedi now because seven people can wield lightsabers. Those are the money makers, so just let them give us what we want!

I'm not sure if that's exactly the reason that he inherited it, but the exact rules haven't been stated in full yet, so who knows? Maybe it's a loophole. Or you can just learn it, we don't know if Mickey ever touched a Keyblade before he trained with Yen-Sid.

 

And I'm quite fine with Lea having a Keyblade over Chakrams. Although maybe he can do a mix of both? It would be interesting to see how he adapts from a dual weapon to a single blade in his own creative fashion. And really, Keybearers are supposed to be really scarce by this point in the timeline anyway, so the more Keybearers you can get, the better. That's like saying after Star Wars Episode III that there's too many Jedi now because seven people can wield lightsabers. Those are the money makers, so just let them give us what we want!

 

You do realize I posted the reasons Lea got the keyblade? As in Nomura explained the situation himself ?

You do realize I posted the reasons Lea got the keyblade? As in Nomura explained the situation himself ?

I was referring to the rules of Keyblade wielding as a whole, not Lea as a specific case.

 

Speaking of which, can you give us a quick link to that? I can't seem to find it.

 

Never mind, I looked up. I'm not that lucid of a morning person.

Edited December 15, 201410 yr by Hero of Light XIV

I was referring to the rules of Keyblade wielding as a whole, not Lea as a specific case.

 

Speaking of which, can you give us a quick link to that? I can't seem to find it.

 

Never mind, I looked up. I'm not that lucid of a morning person.

 

 

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/34334-spoilers-nomura-talks-kingdom-hearts-in-famitsu-talks-unannounced-title-kh3d-demo-in-na-kh3d-secrets/?do=findComment&comment=652182

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/34430-spoilers-kingdom-hearts-3d-ultimania-nomura-interviews-completely-translated/?do=findComment&comment=654620

 

Those are the two interviews this info came from .

 

and you said you did not know if that was the exact reason HE inherited it. And Nomura has said how you get it . Everyone except for Sora has had the ceremony (Another thing confirmed by Nomura) . Then the Keyblade must judge your heart worthy and strong enough and then choose you . Touching a keyblade ( the ceremony) doesn't guarantee a keyblade. Your heart must be strong enough and then the keyblade must choose you. So yes there are 'established rules " per se.. The only issue with that is Nomura has a thing for exceptions and retcons

Edited December 15, 201410 yr by Flaming Lea

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/34334-spoilers-nomura-talks-kingdom-hearts-in-famitsu-talks-unannounced-title-kh3d-demo-in-na-kh3d-secrets/?do=findComment&comment=652182

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/34430-spoilers-kingdom-hearts-3d-ultimania-nomura-interviews-completely-translated/?do=findComment&comment=654620

 

Those are the two interviews this info came from .

 

and you said you did not know if that was the exact reason HE inherited it. And Nomura has said how you get it . Everyone except for Sora has had the ceremony (Another thing confirmed by Nomura) . Then the Keyblade must judge your heart worthy and strong enough and then choose you . Touching a keyblade ( the ceremony) doesn't guarantee a keyblade. Your heart must be strong enough and then the keyblade must choose you. So yes there are 'established rules " per se.. The only issue with that is Nomura has a thing for exceptions and retcons

But if I recall correctly, Nomura keeps saying that there are still things about the Keyblade that we don't understand yet. And I was always under the impression that he may have been inferring that if one had a strong enough heart and will that they could gain a Keyblade, whether they had touched someone else's Keyblade or not. That was before Birth by Sleep and everything afterwards was released, but it still sounds like it would make sense. The Inheritance Ceremony just sounds like a slightly more guaranteed way of getting a Keyblade (not a total guarantee, but better chances). But that's just my stance on it, but I would like to hear from Nomura at some point if he still plans on expanding the Keyblade wielder lore, which I'm pretty sure he's always up for doing.

 

And I remember all of that, I just forgot some of it for that second, it was late.

But if I recall correctly, Nomura keeps saying that there are still things about the Keyblade that we don't understand yet. And I was always under the impression that he may have been inferring that if one had a strong enough heart and will that they could gain a Keyblade, whether they had touched someone else's Keyblade or not. That was before Birth by Sleep and everything afterwards was released, but it still sounds like it would make sense. The Inheritance Ceremony just sounds like a slightly more guaranteed way of getting a Keyblade (not a total guarantee, but better chances). But that's just my stance on it, but I would like to hear from Nomura at some point if he still plans on expanding the Keyblade wielder lore, which I'm pretty sure he's always up for doing.

 

And I remember all of that, I just forgot some of it for that second, it was late.

 

The ceremony is kinda like a 'referral ". The person who gives it was in a way 'referring' or giving good references. That's a good way to explain the concept, Then , after that is done, the keyblade judges if your heart is strong enough and then must choose you as it's master .Nomura has said this over many interviews. I'll give you one example :

 

• This time we saw the “Bequeathing”. Is that a required condition for becoming a Keyblade user?

That’s essentially correct. In terms of the Bequeathing itself, the successee just has to make the successor grasp their Keyblade—if this rite is performed by a Keyblade Master, and if they have suitable power, the Keyblade could choose that person as a Keyblade user, and appear before them. Terra, Ventus; all have passed this rite. Sora is the only exception.

The ceremony is kinda like a 'referral ". The person who gives it was in a way 'referring' or giving good references. That's a good way to explain the concept, Then , after that is done, the keyblade judges if your heart is strong enough and then must choose you as it's master .Nomura has said this over many interviews. I'll give you one example :

 

• This time we saw the “Bequeathing”. Is that a required condition for becoming a Keyblade user?

That’s essentially correct. In terms of the Bequeathing itself, the successee just has to make the successor grasp their Keyblade—if this rite is performed by a Keyblade Master, and if they have suitable power, the Keyblade could choose that person as a Keyblade user, and appear before them. Terra, Ventus; all have passed this rite. Sora is the only exception.

I got it. I'm just saying that it makes sense if there are other ways of gaining a Keyblade aside from the "traditional" or "direct" way of bequeathing it to another. Like you can just conjure one on your own if you're strong enough and the Keyblade deems you worthy.

I got it. I'm just saying that it makes sense if there are other ways of gaining a Keyblade aside from the "traditional" or "direct" way of bequeathing it to another. Like you can just conjure one on your own if you're strong enough and the Keyblade deems you worthy.

 

So far Nomura has set up the qualifications. But we are in a series where Nomura adds as he goes when he feels like it so i suppose it might be possible but highly unlikely. Sora was the only exception and Nomura pointed that out for a reason I presume .

 

 

He did NOT get his keyblade from Ven . He went to Yen Sid and it was implied he was given the ceremony. Then he had to wait for a keyblade to judge and choose him .In the meantime he was trained by Merlin and the faeries in a special time chamber to speed up his training .

 

They did a really horrible job of implying that.

They did a really horrible job of implying that.

 

Only if you aren't paying attention My only issue is the details were only explained in interviews.

Only if you aren't paying attention My only issue is the details were only explained in interviews.

I never pay attention to anything.  A lot of this implied stuff goes right over my head.