Like yeah, both you and me know that Cloud is gonna be in KH3 but with the Olympius Collisuem as one of the returning worlds, what is his role actually gonna be? Everything was summed up nicely in KH1 and in KH2 he wasn't even in the Collisuem. Is there really a reason he has to return there? I swear, if its another "have to kill Hercules" thing again, I'm gonna get so annoyed...

Erm, what if he ain't in the game though? I mean, why be there and not in Radiant Garden?

Maybe not at the Olympus Coliseum, but Cloud still has beef with Sephiroth though.

I don't think its a safe assumption to say he'll be in OC since in KH2 he was only in radiant garden. I do think he'll be in the game though to finish off Sephiroth and probably settle down with Tifa but I don't think he'll be in Olympus Coliseum. He was already there in KH1 and I doubt he'll be in Radiant Garden since they made a pretty big deal about him disappearing from there when fighting Sephiroth. Maybe he'll be in a new original world or maybe even the realm of darkness. I think that'd be pretty cool if they were in an area that was reminiscent of the final battle in FFVII and both you and Cloud fought Safer Sephiroth in the Realm of Darkness

Erm, what if he ain't in the game though? I mean, why be there and not in Radiant Garden?

Steve Burton already said he was set to start recording.

 

Anyway@ topic, as long as Sephiroth is out there, Cloud's story is unresolved, it'd be like if Ven never beat Vanitas in BbS. Plus we still don't what happened to Zack and there are some pretty strong ties between the three of them.

Because the FF characters exist in KH and that's really all the reason there needs to be, but I'm sure there'll be another debacle at Radiant Garden since it's such an important place.

He will never show up in the Olympus Coliseum ever again. Cloud will instead be either at Radiant Garden or more favorably will show up after the second to last world of the story, with Sephiroth as a secret boss just as the Mysterious Figure was in KH1FM. Sephiroth better have all his forms as a phase boss like FF7 did, with Cloud finishing him off..

I don't think its a safe assumption to say he'll be in OC since in KH2 he was only in radiant garden. I do think he'll be in the game though to finish off Sephiroth and probably settle down with Tifa but I don't think he'll be in Olympus Coliseum. He was already there in KH1 and I doubt he'll be in Radiant Garden since they made a pretty big deal about him disappearing from there when fighting Sephiroth. Maybe he'll be in a new original world or maybe even the realm of darkness. I think that'd be pretty cool if they were in an area that was reminiscent of the final battle in FFVII and both you and Cloud fought Safer Sephiroth in the Realm of Darkness

but aerith is still alive

There's no way in hell Nomura has the balls to settle the will they won't they relationship of cloud settling, and I emphasize settling, for Tifa. He didn't do it in the canon advent children so there is no way he can do it in a non canon game like KH, epecially since Aerith is still alive. But the topic of his role, definitely one last go at sephiroth though I would prefer the boss fight be similar yet different, because now that ff7 remake is a thing and the fact that it's an arpg, I don't want sephiroth to fight in the ff7 remake the way he does in KH which is a reason why I don't want sephiroth to have any boss phases as well, save all of that creativity for the remake.

Um, I don't think I've heard too many people speculating that he was going to be at the Coliseum again. If anything he's either wherever he and Sephiroth warped to, some other random world entirely, or he will be back with everybody else at Radiant Garden. Just cause it's been a thing that almost every version of Olympus Coliseum bar KH2 had some version of Cloud in it doesn't mean that it will work that way again in KH3...unless they did it again, because nostalgia. But I seriously doubt that he will be tricked into fighting Hercules again at this point. For one thing, yes that's happened a lot, but you have to remove the fact that you're seeing it again and again so many times and keep the context of each situation in mind. In KH1, we meet Cloud for the first time and he had his reasons for doing so then. In KH CoM, it was a memory based off of the events in KH1 with some alterations, so Cloud followed the same role for slightly different reasons. In KH Re:Coded Cloud was also based off data from the events of KH1, so again it was yet a similar role with differing reasons. The latest instance of this with KH X is the only direct callback to the events in KH1, with Cloud following his scripted role for the sake of the same goal he had in the first game, finding Sephiroth. The context with each is that he has a differing reason for following that path, but it's not like it's the same Cloud making the same mistakes, each one is a different Cloud in his own reality, with destiny dictating that that is the role he plays. The reason this isn't repeated in KH2 is because we are presented with the real Cloud, the one who learned from his mistakes in KH1, so odds are by KH3 if we see him again, he's not going to repeat that pattern either. If anything he'll probably be more dedicated to protecting his friends, helping the town, and in stopping Sephiroth once and for all.

 

 

There's no way in hell Nomura has the balls to settle the will they won't they relationship of cloud settling, and I emphasize settling, for Tifa. He didn't do it in the canon advent children so there is no way he can do it in a non canon game like KH, epecially since Aerith is still alive. But the topic of his role, definitely one last go at sephiroth though I would prefer the boss fight be similar yet different, because now that ff7 remake is a thing and the fact that it's an arpg, I don't want sephiroth to fight in the ff7 remake the way he does in KH which is a reason why I don't want sephiroth to have any boss phases as well, save all of that creativity for the remake.

Um, I wouldn't exactly call having a crush on her as a child, living with her, looking after a child together, managing a business together, and buying a "closed" sign to show that they are "not open for business after hours" (if you can read between the lines there then congratulations you finally understand subtext) as "settling". Just cause he had a thing with Aerith doesn't mean that he's never had similar feelings for Tifa, let alone be barred from ever having or considering a more serious relationship with her. In case you haven't paid attention Nomura and the creators considered every part of the Compilation as canon, including all of those novellas and, shorts, and in-between short stories they made. Just cause they don't forwardly start something doesn't mean there's no chance of it happening, and just because someone has a nice date with another girl (who for the record was getting that close to Cloud because she saw some of Zack in him anyway) doesn't mean that they're any closer to being a couple than him and someone else he clearly cares a whole lot for. The way the whole dating system works in that game is pretty fluid despite all the "team Aeirth" and "team Tifa" bs that keeps coming up...unless you count the dates with other characters, than that's just for sh**'s and giggles. Relationships are never a straight-forward thing, and it's not always as simple as "going with who you're meant to be with" or "settling for someone else".

 

Also, wait, you say that you want a Sephiroth boss in KH3 and yet say that you DON'T want a Sephiroth boss in KH3? Boy, the heck you saying!?

Cloud has no reason to return to Olympus Coliseum. It's pointless to think he'll make a reappearance there. Also, I am now reminded of my "Final Fantasy world" idea from two years back.... funnily enough, it could still be a possibility even after all this time.

 

All we know for sure is that the Cloud-Sephiroth storyline is still hanging in the air post-KHII, and that will certainly be what Cloud is focused on as it has always been his focus in the past. 

He's gonna hold up that wall like his life counts on it.

 Um, I wouldn't exactly call having a crush on her as a child, living with her, looking after a child together, managing a business together, and buying a "closed" sign to show that they are "not open for business after hours" (if you can read between the lines there then congratulations you finally understand subtext) as "settling". Just cause he had a thing with Aerith doesn't mean that he's never had similar feelings for Tifa, let alone be barred from ever having or considering a more serious relationship with her. In case you haven't paid attention Nomura and the creators considered every part of the Compilation as canon, including all of those novellas and, shorts, and in-between short stories they made. Just cause they don't forwardly start something doesn't mean there's no chance of it happening, and just because someone has a nice date with another girl (who for the record was getting that close to Cloud because she saw some of Zack in him anyway) doesn't mean that they're any closer to being a couple than him and someone else he clearly cares a whole lot for. The way the whole dating system works in that game is pretty fluid despite all the "team Aeirth" and "team Tifa" bs that keeps coming up...unless you count the dates with other characters, than that's just for sh**'s and giggles. Relationships are never a straight-forward thing, and it's not always as simple as "going with who you're meant to be with" or "settling for someone else". Also, wait, you say that you want a Sephiroth boss in KH3 and yet say that you DON'T want a Sephiroth boss in KH3? Boy, the heck you saying!?

I never said that there was no chance in universe, just that Nomura doesn't have the courage to outright state it as fact that he ends up with her. And in a sense he would be settling, he had a choice between either, but one of the choices was taken away, he literally has no choice but to go with the option left or obstain from a relationship altogether . Both options were equally valid, but with one removed cloud will never be able to say I chose Tifa, even if he lets go of aerith's death. As for the sephiroth boss fight I meant that I wouldn't want them to include boss phases such as safer-sephiroth, just keep it to the good ol sword fighting so that I don't feel like I'm fighting the exact same boss when FF7 part 4 comes out

On the Keyblade Graveyard Cloud was looking for Zack but then encountered Sephiroth once again.

Sora tells him he will finish with him so Cloud and Aqua/Ventus will be looking for him.

Then they will find him there badly wounded.

I never said that there was no chance in universe, just that Nomura doesn't have the courage to outright state it as fact that he ends up with her. And in a sense he would be settling, he had a choice between either, but one of the choices was taken away, he literally has no choice but to go with the option left or obstain from a relationship altogether . Both options were equally valid, but with one removed cloud will never be able to say I chose Tifa, even if he lets go of aerith's death.As for the sephiroth boss fight I meant that I wouldn't want them to include boss phases such as safer-sephiroth, just keep it to the good ol sword fighting so that I don't feel like I'm fighting the exact same boss when FF7 part 4 comes out

Well I disagree, it would not be settling as he had already had established feelings for Tifa prior to the main events of the game. They only became somewhat estranged and awkward due to the lapse of time and inconsistency of memories. I don't know where you boundaries lie as far as what happens when somebody dies, but the idea of Cloud ending up with Tifa in any context that allows it to happen naturally over time would not and should not be considered settling. May as well say that Saka settled for Suki with that logic. And a pairing doesn't always have to be outright sated as fact by the creator to feel believable, that just depends on the viewer themselves.

 

And again, are you referring to in context with KH3 or the FFVII Remake? Like you don't want tiered bosses in FF VII or KH3? Cause I think it goes without saying that KH3 won't go that in depth with Sephiroth beyond one really intense boss fight. Otherwise how faithful the Remake's bosses are will be seen when the games come out.

Well, I'm pretty sure that Cloud's arc is going to come to an end in Kingdom Hearts III!  Meaning that his feud with Sephiroth will most likely reach its climax, and they will have their final battle, in which Cloud finally overcomes the darkness in his heart and accepts it!  I'm pretty sure Nomura will find a way to integrate Cloud's conflict into the story of KHIII somehow!

Well I disagree, it would not be settling as he had already had established feelings for Tifa prior to the main events of the game. They only became somewhat estranged and awkward due to the lapse of time and inconsistency of memories. I don't know where you boundaries lie as far as what happens when somebody dies, but the idea of Cloud ending up with Tifa in any context that allows it to happen naturally over time would not and should not be considered settling. May as well say that Saka settled for Suki with that logic. And a pairing doesn't always have to be outright sated as fact by the creator to feel believable, that just depends on the viewer themselves. And again, are you referring to in context with KH3 or the FFVII Remake? Like you don't want tiered bosses in FF VII or KH3? Cause I think it goes without saying that KH3 won't go that in depth with Sephiroth beyond one really intense boss fight. Otherwise how faithful the Remake's bosses are will be seen when the games come out.

well I'll stop discussing the cloud Tifa aerith part, because at this point it's a matter of opinion, but as for the boss fights I want sephiroth to simply be sephiroth in KH3, no transformations, no boss phases(aside from moveset changes of course) but I also don't want his moveset in KH3 to translate to FF7 remake, it's strange I know, but sephiroth KH edition shouldn't fight like sephiroth FF7 remake edition. To me personally, it would be both lazy and unimaginative.

A midgar world would be cool for a final battle between Cloud and Sephiroth.

well I'll stop discussing the cloud Tifa aerith part, because at this point it's a matter of opinion, but as for the boss fights I want sephiroth to simply be sephiroth in KH3, no transformations, no boss phases(aside from moveset changes of course) but I also don't want his moveset in KH3 to translate to FF7 remake, it's strange I know, but sephiroth KH edition shouldn't fight like sephiroth FF7 remake edition. To me personally, it would be both lazy and unimaginative.

I would just like whatever boss to be an homage. The last two bosses have been pretty creative in that their moves aren't directly copied from FF VII but are rather heavily influenced and inspired by it, and in many ways it's sort of created a feedback loop to where it went back and influenced him in other installments like Advent Children, Crisis Core, and Dissidia. As far as a KH3 boss is concerned, it would be nice to make it a combination of how KH1 and KH2 handled him, being really fast and rapid and requiring precise timing to parry and counter, but also being extremely deadly once he stands still a bit more. And of course take advantage over how much more mobile and dynamic KH3 is and make something huge out of it. Not final boss huge, but comparable. Something that can make one single phase boss fight feel like both a real challenge and a grand spectacle. And while I doubt his moveset will be exactly copied to FF VII's Remake, I think at this point it's undeniable that there is going to be some influence going back and forth between KH3 and the Remake, so it wouldn't surprise me if some moves where shared. Of course the classics are still going to be there like Octaslash and some form of Meteor and stuff like that, but if they wanted to they could also take things they've already tried before and mix them up in unique ways. They'll likely do that for both, and they should, they'll probably just go about it in different ways for each. But I can almost guarantee that KH3's Sephiroth and FF VII's Sephiroth will not be exact clones of each other. They'll stem from the same influences and may even influence each other in certain ways, but since both games are still different enough from each other they will mostly have no choice but to have a few good differences between them anyway. I don't think there's much need to worry there.

I mean, assuming he appears, it'll probably be in radiant garden again. His role won't be a big one but they might dive more into his relationship with Sephiroth. Kingdom Hearts 2 gave us some information on their relationship and it's clearly not the same relationship from Final Fantasy VII. So I'm curious as to just what exactly Sephiroth is (whether he's even human or not since he states he represents Cloud's darkness), the history of their relationship in the Lingdom Hearts universe, and whether or not Cloud can overcome him once and for all. Though I doubt they'll give us that closure since Sephiroth is a fan favorite optional boss.

Who ever said that he'd be at Olympus again? No one ever said that. He most likely isn't. He's most likely in another world that we don't know about yet fighting Sephiroth or maybe he's already done fighting Sephiroth and he's back at Radiant Garden.

 

But yeah, I doubt he'd be back at Olympus. I don't see why he'd ever want to go there again.

Cloud probably won't be back at Olympus, but what he will do is probably finish things with Sephiroth.