since we figure out that nobodys really do have hearts which was said in ddd does that mean roxas have a nobody now since he went back to sora

No. The closest thing to Roxas' Nobody would be Xion, as she is his Replicate. Aside from her, though, Roxas wouldn't have a Nobody because he IS a Nobody, he just happens to have a heart, as well. 

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by Kaweebo

No. The closest thing to Roxas' Nobody would be Xion, as she is his Replicate. Aside from her, though, Roxas wouldn't have a Nobody because he IS a Nobody, he just happens to have a heart, as well. 

 

A puppet is a puppet.

No. The closest thing to Roxas' Nobody would be Xion, as she is his Replicate. Aside from her, though, Roxas wouldn't have a Nobody because he IS a Nobody, he just happens to have a heart, as well. 

but sora heart is the strongest in the world so maybe he was able to give roxas a strong heart but just not as strong as his and like they say if a strong hearted person loses there heart a nobody is created

A puppet is a puppet.

aStop saying that. It doesn't change the fact that Namine said "You're Kairi as Sora remembers her" and all that shit. She was supposed to be a puppet but that doesn't change that fact that she as her own heart and is essentially sora and kairi. You're just in denial

aStop saying that. It doesn't change the fact that Namine said "You're Kairi as Sora remembers her" and all that shit. She was supposed to be a puppet but that doesn't change that fact that she as her own heart and is essentially sora and kairi. You're just in denial

 

Lol. It's just a video game character.

Nope,A Nobody can only be born from a human when that human turns into a heartless

 

Sure the nobodies can get their own hearts but they're still originally nobodies

 

Otherwise Xemnas would've duplicate himself 12 times more to save himself the hassle of cloning all the members into Xehanorts

Lol. It's just a video game character.

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Edited February 5, 201411 yr by KittensOnFire

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What?

Nope. Nobodies cannot have Nobodies.

Nope,A Nobody can only be born from a human when that human turns into a heartless

We don't know that. We know that lions and dragons can have Heartless, so theoretically anything with a heart can produce, if the heart is strong enough for that.

 

 

Otherwise Xemnas would've duplicate himself 12 times more to save himself the hassle of cloning all the members into Xehanorts

I don't think that's how it works. The conditions for growing a heart seem like it would take some time to do that. Not to mention, it would require friendship, something that Xehanort probably doesn't want to have, or resort to.

 

Also, if Xemnas were to split himself into Heartless and Nobody again, could he guarantee that his Heartless will retain human intelligence? If not, than he would end up only having a Nobody of himself. In other words, he wouldn't duplicate himself, he would just have transferred his body and soul somewhere else again, and created another mindless beast that would serve no purpose for him.

 

Nope. Nobodies cannot have Nobodies.

Source?

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by G-SANtos

Roxas is still a nobody , but with a heart .

Funny how Sora's Evil/Nobody/Whatever side actually has somewhat of a personality unlike Sora

Sora is one of the most dull video game character I've ever seen in my life

Even Mario has more personality and is less duller

I'm glad I play more as him then hear him talk *shrugs*

We don't know that. We know that lions and dragons can have Heartless, so theoretically anything with a heart can produce, if the heart is strong enough for that.

 

 

I don't think that's how it works. The conditions for growing a heart seem like it would take some time to do that. Not to mention, it would require friendship, something that Xehanort probably doesn't want to have, or resort to.

 

Also, if Xemnas were to split himself into Heartless and Nobody again, could he guarantee that his Heartless will retain human intelligence? If not, than he would end up only having a Nobody of himself. In other words, he wouldn't duplicate himself, he would just have transferred his body and soul somewhere else again, and created another mindless beast that would serve no purpose for him.

 

Source?

I meant in terms of humans I never mentioned dragons or anything else

I meant in terms of humans I never mentioned dragons or anything else

You said only humans can produce Nobodies, which we don't know if it's true. For all we know, the World of Nothingness can be the Nobody of a dragon, assuming it is not a construct.

It hasn't been said if a Nobody can create another Nobody or not. It would seem sort of silly. But I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility. 

 

To answer your question. Roxas never lost his heart to darkness. When he merged with Sora he didn't lose his heart. Most likely, when Roxas merged with Sora his heart came with him. Merging with Sora as well. So no, Roxas didn't create a nobody. 

 

This is all assuming that Roxas has a heart. Which he most likely does (I'm about 99.9% sure) They just haven't came right out and said it. 

 

No. The closest thing to Roxas' Nobody would be Xion, as she is his Replicate. Aside from her, though, Roxas wouldn't have a Nobody because he IS a Nobody, he just happens to have a heart, as well. 

She isn't even close to being Roxas's Nobody.

 

but sora heart is the strongest in the world so maybe he was able to give roxas a strong heart but just not as strong as his and like they say if a strong hearted person loses there heart a nobody is created

Sora's heart isn't the strongest. Him losing his heart to darkness proves that.

Sora didn't give Roxas a heart. It is true that Roxas carried Ven's heart with him. But Roxas grew his own heart. Which had nothing to do with Sora.

A heartless is created when someones heart is consumed by the darkness in their hearts. 

A Nobody requires the "body and soul" of one who became a Heartless. Humoring the concept that nobodies produce Nobodies would equivilate two things.The first would be that the laws of resurrection are moot meaning the body and soul gets passed down to the new Nobody preventing a the recompletion of the original person. The other option would be to say everybody has multiple bodies or that they have the ability to split them. There are no plausible way of arguing either case. If a Nobody with a heart is destroyed the body will rejoin with the heart provided the Heartless was destroyed first. In the event that the body is destroyed first the heart in the Nobody and the heart in the Heartless(provided they're destroyed later on ) remains suspended in limbo.

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by devereauxr

No- there would be an infinite amount of Nobodies!!!

This is all assuming that Roxas has a heart. Which he most likely does (I'm about 99.9% sure) They just haven't came right out and said it.

Dream Drop Distance explicitly says Roxas, Axel, Naminé, and Xion had hearts.

 

 

She isn't even close to being Roxas's Nobody.

I think he meant that Replicas are considered special Nobodies.

 

 

In the event that the body is destroyed first the heart in the Nobody and the heart in the Heartless(provided they're destroyed later on ) remains suspended in limbo.

Sorry if I misunderstood your words, but are you saying that if the Nobody is destroyed first, then the reunion doesn't occur? If that's what you are saying, you are wrong, Nomura said in the Director's Secret Report XIII the order is irrelevant to whether the original being can be restored.

 

 

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by G-SANtos

Dream Drop Distance explicitly says Roxas, Axel, Naminé, and Xion had hearts.

 

No it doesn't.

We don't know that. We know that lions and dragons can have Heartless, so theoretically anything with a heart can produce, if the heart is strong enough for that.

 

I think he meant the more powerful Nobodies, such as those in the Organization who took human form. Everything else would be considered a lesser Nobody, no matter it's strength, as someone in the Organization would be in control of it.

 

I don't think that's how it works. The conditions for growing a heart seem like it would take some time to do that. Not to mention, it would require friendship, something that Xehanort probably doesn't want to have, or resort to.

 

Not entirely. All Organization members grew their own hearts over time (with or without friendship), according to Braig and Xemnas, however, the main goal was to fill them each with a piece Xehanort's heart to be vessels. On the other hand, a majority of them became traitorous and Roxas became too aware of his situation. 

 

Also, if Xemnas were to split himself into Heartless and Nobody again, could he guarantee that his Heartless will retain human intelligence? If not, than he would end up only having a Nobody of himself. In other words, he wouldn't duplicate himself, he would just have transferred his body and soul somewhere else again, and created another mindless beast that would serve no purpose for him.

 

Not much I can say for this, as this actually would be the possible outcome if it were possible:

 

Source?

 

However, given the hard evidence from the games themselves, Xehanort himself could have set the task to Braig and Xemnas of replicating themselves had both, replication of Heartless and Nobody and a Nobody being capable of creating yet another Heartless and a Nobody, been possible. Obviously the story would have been dull if Nobodies could create Nobodies. Taking a look into Ansem the Wise's reports, having a heart or not, Nobodies were simply not meant to exist, however, it was not his right to take the existence that they did have from them, in which he promptly apologized to Roxas for. But if something wasn't meant to exist, how could it create yet another nonexistent being?

You said only humans can produce Nobodies, which we don't know if it's true. For all we know, the World of Nothingness can be the Nobody of a dragon, assuming it is not a construct.

A slip of the tongue ok

Dream Drop Distance explicitly says Roxas, Axel, Naminé, and Xion had hearts.

Since you're find of asking for source I ask for your source on this statement.

I think he meant that Replicas are considered special Nobodies.

Replicas is in no way shape or form nobodies.

Sorry if I misunderstood your words, but are you saying that if the Nobody is destroyed first, then the reunion doesn't occur? If that's what you are saying, you are wrong, Nomura said in the Director's Secret Report XIII the order is irrelevant to whether the original being can be restored.

If you're going to correct me with interviews use the full interview not just the context that makes it seem like your point is correct.VIII - When the Heartless are defeated, what becomes of the stolen hearts? Also, when members of Organization XIII and other Nobodies are defeated, do they return to their original form?When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the Organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after Heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.In a scenario where both a Heartless and Nobody exist the order is important. If the Heartless is destroyed first the heart will remain in a state of suspension until it can reunite with its body counterpart upon the destruction or union of the Nobody. However as Nomura says if the body is destroyed first it is swallowed by the darkness leaving the heart without a container. Although he doesn't outright say it and leaved the possibilities open (in typical Nomura fashion) the implication is that the loss of the hearts container means the loss of the original person.

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by devereauxr

If you're going to correct me with interviews use the full interview not just the context that makes it seem like your point is correct.VIII - When the Heartless are defeated, what becomes of the stolen hearts? Also, when members of Organization XIII and other Nobodies are defeated, do they return to their original form?When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the Organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after Heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.The order does matter in a scenario where both a Heartless and Nobody exist the order is important. If the Heartless is destroyed first the heart will remain in a state of suspension until it can reunite with its body counterpart upon the destruction or union of the Nobody. However as Nomura says if the body is destroyed first it is swallowed by the darkness leaving the heart without a container. Although he doesn't outright say it and leaved the possibilities open (in typical Nomura fashion) the implication is that the loss of the hearts container means the loss of the original person.

The order doesn't matter. It's just more complicated if the Nobody is defeated. Neither the body or the heart are destroyed in either case.

In one instance, a Key Bearer defeats the Heartless, releasing the heart into suspension, if it is not someone who bears a Key, the heart is recaptured by the Heartless. However, the body the heart belongs to awaits the defeat of its controller so both can reform their original being. 

In another instance the Nobody is defeated first, and as stated in the interview, it is swallowed by Darkness until a Key Bearer releases the corresponding heart from its Heartless.

The order doesn't matter. It's just more complicated if the Nobody is defeated. Neither the body or the heart are destroyed in either case.In one instance, a Key Bearer defeats the Heartless, releasing the heart into suspension, if it is not someone who bears a Key, the heart is recaptured by the Heartless. However, the body the heart belongs to awaits the defeat of its controller so both can reform their original being. In another instance the Nobody is defeated first, and as stated in the interview, it is swallowed by Darkness until a Key Bearer releases the corresponding heart from its Heartless.

The order does matter if you want the best chances of recompletion. If the Nobody is destroyed then the heart loses its container which would complete the union. Nomura say there is a chance the recompilation can take place but he does mention whether or not the body waits in darkness for its counterpart to be released by the Keyblade wielder. He juat states its swallowed by the darkness. Nomura allows a chance for recompletion perhaps there are other factors that allow that to take place but the primary implication is that the chances are slim.

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by devereauxr

The order does matter if you want the best chances of recompletion. If the Nobody is destroyed then the heart loses its container which would complete the union. Nomura say there is a chance the recompilation can take place but he does mention whether or not the body waits in darkness for its counterpart to be released by the Keyblade wielder. He juat states its swallowed by the darkness. Nomura allows a chance for recompletion perhaps there are other factors that allow that to take place but the primary implication is that the chances are slim.

I'll just leave this to Flaming Lea then. I read the part you put there and what I got from it was just what Nomura literally said, but I'm not seeing the implications you're seeing, so I'll see what she brings to this.