Sora was walking down the street one day and got hit by a cement mixer.

 

Riku was walking down the street one day and did NOT get hit by a cement mixer.

 

Therefore, Riku is more immune to getting hit by cement mixers than Sora.

 

This argument is absurd and broken. It's drawing its conclusion based on evidence that isn't really there. Sora isn't biologically more likely to be hit by cement mixers than Riku; he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also, Riku isn't more immune to cement mixers than Sora: he might have just thought to look both ways before crossing the street.

 

The whole myth that has emerged from the ending of DDD is that Riku has somehow become better at handling the Darkness than Sora, that his heart is stronger, etc, etc. Really, I don't see how this is the case, or that this is proven at all during the plot of DDD. Yes, Sora gets jumped by Team Xehanort, but that's basically because they pulled the equivalent of dragging him into a back alley and gagging him with chloroform. Sora's not falling into Darkness because his heart is weak, or because he's somehow more susceptible. He fell into Darkness because he essentially got kidnapped. 

 

The main difference here is that Sora's trip-up at the end of DDD isn't due to his own volition. This is important, because Sora has demonstrated time and time again that he's able to overcome his own temptations towards the forces of Darkness based around his own free will and personal strength; he's able to NOT give into anger, to NOT listen to the nagging doubts in the back of his head, and, when he does have slip-ups (like in Chain of Memories, when he tells Donald and Goofy to leave), he's capable of learning from those mistakes and growing. He's no more prone to falling into Darkness than Riku. 

Uhhhh ...... I agree with ya .

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by Nick Sideris

Sora is more susceptible to Darkness because Riku built a resistance by working with, being controlled and taking control of the darkness himself.  He learned how to utilize it and be it's master.  It doesn't mean that Riku is stronger at all, it's the same way people in cold climates like Canada are more resistant to the cold than someone traveling from a mild or hot climate.  His resistance just isn't strong cause he's never had to really deal with it taking over him.

You also have to take leap years into account

Not every analogy works just because you thought of a random subject that loosely applied to this situation. Darkness can't = cement mixers because they're two different things entirely. Like Caity said, Darkness is more akin to a cold atmosphere. Some people have built up a resistance, while others are more used to warmer areas. Riku built up a resistance, which allows him to utilize darkness as his primary power.

 

For most of KH1 and 2, Sora made a conscious effort to AVOID using darkness. It's only at the end that the main characters finally realized that darkness is not evil. Although I'd argue that Sora is actually less susceptible than Riku due to the fact that he has overwhelming darkness inside him already as residue from being turned into a Heartless (Anti Form), but that's another debate. 

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by Kaweebo

Sora is more susceptible to Darkness because Riku built a resistance by working with, being controlled and taking control of the darkness himself.  He learned how to utilize it and be it's master.  It doesn't mean that Riku is stronger at all, it's the same way people in cold climates like Canada are more resistant to the cold than someone traveling from a mild or hot climate.  His resistance just isn't strong cause he's never had to really deal with it taking over him.

 

My problem with this take on the Darkness resistance thing is that it implies that Sora hasn't had the same exposure to elements of Darkness, or hasn't said "No" to it. Yes, he hasn't fallen to it like Riku has, but isn't that actually just proof about how he is resistant to it? He's managed to refuse its influence on multiple occasions, in spite of temptation and allure. 

In the KH world, cement mixers do very little damage.

 

In all seriousness, I agree with this topic.

Where are you hearing this argument?

Also: the others have a point. Sorta like immunization: being exposed to a disease and being left alone to fight it will usually result in a resistance to it in the future. I suppose the same concept could be utilized for this

That makes sense... EXCEPT

 

 

 

PLOT TWIST

 

 

RIKU IS SORA'S FATHER!!

 

 

 

 

My problem with this take on the Darkness resistance thing is that it implies that Sora hasn't had the same exposure to elements of Darkness, or hasn't said "No" to it. Yes, he hasn't fallen to it like Riku has, but isn't that actually just proof about how he is resistant to it? He's managed to refuse its influence on multiple occasions, in spite of temptation and allure. 

 

Well he has refused it in the past, but probably his sleeping state made him more vulnerable since they could  be working on it while he's no consciously aware to stop it.  The  reason itself is pissy.  Like if Sora's so susceptible to darkness that he could be consumed by it like he was, why not do it at the start of KH1 when he was proving a problem and he was considerably weaker?  Sure if Kairi's pure heart of light was stopping it, it could have happened when her heart was released. He's considerably stronger by the point of DDD.  Or why not try it when he went to sleep at the end of COM when he wouldn't have been as strong either.

 

But the logic basically is needed one of them, was gonna be Riku (who'd already been controlled by Ansem) but his own personal journey gave him resistance so it'd be harder to take control of him again.  Sora never had to deal with it in the same manner, so he's as susceptible as Riku was in KH1.  The disease metaphor is good for it, Riku had the disease, got immune, Sora never had it and is more likely to be effected by it.  

Sora is more susceptible to Darkness because Riku built a resistance by working with, being controlled and taking control of the darkness himself.  He learned how to utilize it and be it's master.  It doesn't mean that Riku is stronger at all, it's the same way people in cold climates like Canada are more resistant to the cold than someone traveling from a mild or hot climate.  His resistance just isn't strong cause he's never had to really deal with it taking over him.

This pretty much explains it . It's not that Sora is weaker or less worthy . It's more that Riku had been forced through experience to deal with and control darkness- something Sora hadn't had to do to that extent yet . It's the reason the org finally gave up pursuing Riku in DDD and went to the 'next down the list ". However, even Yen Sid said that both were worthy of being masters.It's just that Riku went above and beyond in the MoME to save Sora and his experience dealing with darkness helped him achieve it .

 

 

 

 

My problem with this take on the Darkness resistance thing is that it implies that Sora hasn't had the same exposure to elements of Darkness, or hasn't said "No" to it. Yes, he hasn't fallen to it like Riku has, but isn't that actually just proof about how he is resistant to it? He's managed to refuse its influence on multiple occasions, in spite of temptation and allure. 

 

The difference is Riku had to learn to control a part of Xehanort and his darkness in him and overcome it as also shown throughout the games and including DDD..Sora hasn't had to deal with that let alone overcome it . If he had gotten norted we might've gotten to see his struggle to do this first hand but he was saved .Again , it doesn't make him weaker, he just didn't have to go through the same circumstances as Riku and he walked a different path . Most people walk different paths and had different lessons to learn that shape who they are and who they become. We all have our struggles and it affects us in different ways.This is shown especially with Riku and Sora

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Edited February 5, 201411 yr by Xigboss

In the KH world, cement mixers do very little damage.

Source?

 

 

The difference is Riku had to learn to control a part of Xehanort and his darkness in him and overcome it as also shown throughout the games and including DDD..

This just made me think: If Riku transfered his heart or a piece of it to a norted person, would he be able to unnort them?

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by G-SANtos

The closer you get to light the longer your shadow gets

Well he has refused it in the past, but probably his sleeping state made him more vulnerable since they could  be working on it while he's no consciously aware to stop it.  The  reason itself is pissy.  Like if Sora's so susceptible to darkness that he could be consumed by it like he was, why not do it at the start of KH1 when he was proving a problem and he was considerably weaker?  Sure if Kairi's pure heart of light was stopping it, it could have happened when her heart was released. He's considerably stronger by the point of DDD.  Or why not try it when he went to sleep at the end of COM when he wouldn't have been as strong either.

 

But the logic basically is needed one of them, was gonna be Riku (who'd already been controlled by Ansem) but his own personal journey gave him resistance so it'd be harder to take control of him again.  Sora never had to deal with it in the same manner, so he's as susceptible as Riku was in KH1.  The disease metaphor is good for it, Riku had the disease, got immune, Sora never had it and is more likely to be effected by it.  

 

 

Because at the time both were both just as susceptible but they wanted Riku, he was stronger, faster and had already been chosen by the Keyblade, whereas Sora was physically weaker and slower, and was not actually chosen until he fought Riku in Hollow Bastion. Because of his athleticism and potential access to the Keyblade, Riku was deemed as a more worthy vessel then the "average" Sora. It was only after Riku won over the Darkness and Sora started becoming a threat that the decided to bring him into the fold.

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Xehanort himself says to Riku, word for word, "The boy chosen by the Keyblade. It was yours first, wasn't it? But you succumbed to the darkness you could not control, and your prize, the Keyblade, passed on to Sora instead. Your mistakes always end up being other people's problems."

"Maybe so, but I'm here to change all of that." - Riku

"Once again, you performed predictably. Although on a grander scale than I imagined."

"If you're feeling so chatty, let's skip to the part where you reveal what this is all about."

"I don't know how you did it, but you really have found a way to trap Darkness inside your heart, and a boy who is immune to Darkness is no use to us."

Xehanort himself acknowledged Riku's immunity to Darkness. Meaning that Riku cannot be affected by Darkness at all. They were originally going to pick Riku, but he became obsolete with his ability to wield the Darkness as explained in Reverse/Rebirth. They, like the Keyblade, moved on to Sora when Riku was out of the picture. Like everyone else is saying, it's not that Sora is more susceptible to Darkness, it's that he doesn't have the immunity that Riku has.

Also, you made the argument that Sora fell into Darkness because he was kidnapped. That's not true either. He fell into Darkness because Xehanort led him down a path that led to Darkness. He simply tempted Sora with something that Sora couldn't refuse. He put people in front of him that were scarred by painful memories and whose hearts were calling out to him. In so doing, they put him to sleep and gradually weakened him by way of Sora's dreams. As Xigbar explains, it was Sora that ruined himself by tiring himself out and making him unable to fight. All they had to do was put him to sleep and Sora's heart did the rest.

Edited February 5, 201411 yr by Orchestrafanboy19

Source?

 

 

This just made me think: If Riku transfered his heart or a piece of it to a norted person, would he be able to unnort them?

 

I'm thinking maybe the way he could save norted people would be to fight in their heart stations to release and overcome the norted heart. But that's just my theory .

Source?

 

YOU DON'T NEED ONE, CEMENT MIXERS ONLY HURT IN REAL LIFE.

YOU DON'T NEED ONE, CEMENT MIXERS ONLY HURT IN REAL LIFE.

In case it wasn't obvious...

 

 

...that was a joke.

 

 

 

But I'm pretty sure there's a lot of fiction where cement mixers hurt.

Not every analogy works just because you thought of a random subject that loosely applied to this situation. Darkness can't = cement mixers because they're two different things entirely. Like Caity said, Darkness is more akin to a cold atmosphere. Some people have built up a resistance, while others are more used to warmer areas. Riku built up a resistance, which allows him to utilize darkness as his primary power. For most of KH1 and 2, Sora made a conscious effort to AVOID using darkness. It's only at the end that the main characters finally realized that darkness is not evil. Although I'd argue that Sora is actually less susceptible than Riku due to the fact that he has overwhelming darkness inside him already as residue from being turned into a Heartless (Anti Form), but that's another debate.

And this is why he needs to learn how to use Anti Form.To have more resistance to Darkness.

In case it wasn't obvious...

 

 

...that was a joke.

 

 

 

But I'm pretty sure there's a lot of fiction where cement mixers hurt.

 

I was jokin' too, which is why ALL CAPS.