I've seen this get thrown around a lot, and now we basically know we're getting a remaster so

Why did people think that?

People say it's because the 3DS uses the touch screen, but... does it really?

I'd argue no, there's nothing that really benefits from using the touchscreen that couldn't be easily approximated with an analog stick. That barrel launching thing? Pull back on the analog stick. Connect the dots? Analog stick

 

Besides that all that would be missing is the 3D and.... who really cares?

I'm surprised I have to be the one to say this, since DDD is one of my least favourite KH games

 

Lol, you deleted most of the important things in KH3D and you wanna say that Coded was more important? I can barely see the important cutscenes in Coded unlike KH3D, which has a lot of important cutscenes. KH3D reveals a lot of truths, it shows that most of your thoughts about the story were wrong but Coded didn't have the potential to do that and it doesn't even give shocking scenes as much as KH3D.You see the points you've mentioned about Coded? These were the only important things in that title, but you've missed more than half the story on the points you've mentioned for KH3D.You're welcomed to re watch KH3D cutscenes in KH13 though.

 

I wouldn't put it that way.

Dream Drop Distance is messed up. It doesn't show that our interpretations of the saga were wrong.

KHII and BbS did that successfully. We suddenly learned about Master Xehanort and Apprentice Xehanort.

 

DDD is so extreme, though, that it does not succeed but loses all its credibility. 

It seems more like Nomura decided at some point prior to DDD to make Xehanort the main Character (and he confirmed he is his favorite character) and he made the mistake to make him an almighty God-like creep.

 

Hence all the points "proven" wrong in DDD, like the True Org., not only do not sound credible but they also try to tell us that ALL preceding games were wrong.

 

However, those games were well-struck and therefore the DDD system collapses in itself because the beliefs prone in KH1, 2 and BbS are too well presented to be overthrown by a mere DDD.

 

Therefore, the point of Ansem, Xemnas and Xehanort in DDD is lost.

Those characters were great in all previous games and reviving them for DDD AGAIN is just stupid. Hence, the system collapses on top of itself and the whole saga takes a uturn with all this "Xehanort planned everything and oh he is so strong, and if he loses for the thousandth time we'll just come up with another way to revive all Xehanorts."

 

It's just like Nomura is desperately trying to keep all Xehanorts alive.

 

It would have been better iv Xehanort would have been revived EITHER as the young guy or the old coot, but not as 13 Xehanorts. It does not make any sense.

I wouldn't put it that way.

Dream Drop Distance is messed up. It doesn't show that our interpretations of the saga were wrong.

KHII and BbS did that successfully. We suddenly learned about Master Xehanort and Apprentice Xehanort.

 

DDD is so extreme, though, that it does not succeed but loses all its credibility. 

It seems more like Nomura decided at some point prior to DDD to make Xehanort the main Character (and he confirmed he is his favorite character) and he made the mistake to make him an almighty God-like creep.

 

Hence all the points "proven" wrong in DDD, like the True Org., not only do not sound credible but they also try to tell us that ALL preceding games were wrong.

 

However, those games were well-struck and therefore the DDD system collapses in itself because the beliefs prone in KH1, 2 and BbS are too well presented to be overthrown by a mere DDD.

 

Therefore, the point of Ansem, Xemnas and Xehanort in DDD is lost.

Those characters were great in all previous games and reviving them for DDD AGAIN is just stupid. Hence, the system collapses on top of itself and the whole saga takes a uturn with all this "Xehanort planned everything and oh he is so strong, and if he loses for the thousandth time we'll just come up with another way to revive all Xehanorts."

 

It's just like Nomura is desperately trying to keep all Xehanorts alive.

 

It would have been better iv Xehanort would have been revived EITHER as the young guy or the old coot, but not as 13 Xehanorts. It does not make any sense.

It's not really desperate. We all know Xehanort is the villain to beat, they're not going to get rid of him before KH3

And honestly the plot points have a lot more forethought than I think people give credit for. Xehanort was already a thing by the time KH2 ended, the concept of Nobodies having hearts was raised with Roxas really early on

I still think the stuff in DDD is rock stupid, but it's still a flowing narrative building to something

 

 

also I thought Luxord was his favourite character

It's not really desperate. We all know Xehanort is the villain to beat, they're not going to get rid of him before KH3

And honestly the plot points have a lot more forethought than I think people give credit for. Xehanort was already a thing by the time KH2 ended, the concept of Nobodies having hearts was raised with Roxas really early on

I still think the stuff in DDD is rock stupid, but it's still a flowing narrative building to something

 

 

also I thought Luxord was his favourite character

I thought Axel was his favorite character. 

It's not really desperate. We all know Xehanort is the villain to beat, they're not going to get rid of him before KH3

And honestly the plot points have a lot more forethought than I think people give credit for. Xehanort was already a thing by the time KH2 ended, the concept of Nobodies having hearts was raised with Roxas really early on

I still think the stuff in DDD is rock stupid, but it's still a flowing narrative building to something

 

 

also I thought Luxord was his favourite character

 

Did you read his most recent Ultimania message interview?

 

And yes, roxas having a heart was raised. But then resolved as being Ven's heart.

 

I mean, Roxas was supposed to be the feeling nobody not supposed to exist  among the heartless nobodies.

Xion was supposed to be the fallen one.

 

What's the point to bring characters back over and over again.

You can only do this so many times.

Not only does it lose logic and credibility, but it also destroys this images that made each character unique.

 

By now we do not have a variety of characters anymore but just 2 stereotypes.

 

1) The keyblade wielder: a GOOD character that is incredibly naive, gets a keyblade sooner or later and if they ever die they are brought back anyway.

 

2) the bad guy: almighty persona that is superior in any way. Every cough and sneeze of any character turns out to be a part of his schemes or is a secretly prepared plan B. No matter how often you beat him he will EVER come back.

 

 

You see, even if KHIII will continue on an old fashioned way, there is no diversity in the tons of main characters anymore. They are all heroes of light and keyblade wielders and technically they cannot defeat Xehanort ever because if Nomura feels like it, another incarnation that has been overlooked, because it was, say, standing behind the curtains in Hollow Bastion, will come back and revive the other 1000 norts.

 

I think what KH really needs is a second director who keeps a more distanced view on the story development and also keeps an eye on Nomura.

Nomura is great in surprising an audience but his techniques have turned into his own fan-service. I mean, he can't just do whatever he wants.

If he changes his mind midway through a story, he can't just tell us everything so far has been a trick.

 

 

Like an author writing a novel series.

The hero dies in novel 2 and then, in novel 5 the author regrets this decision and tries to change the whole series by incorporating shitty mechanisms like everything so far was a dream (which would render the WHOLE story pointless) or like the hero just went on a secret travel mission and the one who was killed was his twin who had never appeared so far (which would ruin the credibility of both characters and world of the story)

 

See what I mean? 

The only way to change such a major decision would be to reWRITE the ENTIRE SERIES from the point on where the character shouldn't die.

 

Like Nomura would have to reMAKE Kingdom hearts 1 and include all the elements introduced after that. But this would ruin the KH1 feel.

 

There is a difference between the technique that introduces something we havent noticed so far and 

introducing something that is not possible by what we know is based on!

it could be explained, but it still has to happen. Riddle me this. What would change if at the start of DDD Braig showed up and teleported Sora to The World That Never Was right at the start of the game?

 

It would be called cheating and they wouldn't finish the exam? 7 Sleeping keyholes of 7 sleeping worlds would still be locked and the worlds would still be in the darkness? Sora wouldn't understand the story of The Grid/ Space Paranoids that are connected to Xemnas? Lea wouldn't take the risk and fall to the sleeping world to prove that he is worthy for being a keyblade wielder? Sora wouldn't manage to see some of King Mickey's past trainings before becoming master? Master RIku wouldn't know if he fits for being a master? We wouldn't know that Maleficent attacked Disney Castle in order to obtain Data Worlds once again?

Well if DDD were to be released on the Wii U, I think they should re-release 358/2 Days and Re: Coded too on the Wii U, and make them playable. They could then call it "Kingdom Hearts -HD N ReMIX-", N for Nintendo, since they were all released on Nintendo consoles. :-D

 

What do you guys think?

Sora and Riku take a test to becomes keyblade masters. Nobodys have hearts. Xehanort unveils his plan to to gather 13 darknesses to fight 7 lights to get the X blade again so he can summon the real Kingdom Hearts. Done. 

 - Sora and Riku are to take Mark of Mastery Exam and go to Sleeping Realm to free worlds that didn't make it back to their proper place after Sora and Riku closed Door to Darkness. 

- Riku is unsure if he is fit for the title because of his past with darkness. 

- Lea and others have returned after their defeat as nobodies, however Braig and Isa aren't there with them. 

- During their travel, Sora and Riku learn they have to unlock seven sleeping keyholes of seven sleeping worlds and they have been separated into two halves of the realm. - Maleficent attacks Disney Castle in order to obtain Data Worlds.

- Lea saves the day and wants to take training in order to become keyblade wielder. 

- Through their travel, Sora and Riku face Xemnas and Ansem once again, with Ansem trying to convert Riku back into darkness. These two are always accompanied by new figure, Young Xehanort who is able to time travel as long as he would follow three rules: always move on one direction, you have to have your future self waiting in the time period in order to stay there for long and past can never be changed. 

- After unlocking all the worlds, Sora and Riku are pulled back to the Realm In Between, in the World That Never Was, where Braig and new organization XIII puts him into sleep. Riku also arrives and finds out that Sora had been forced into sleeping and he fights Ansem once again. In his dream, Sora sees figures of Naminé, Xion, Roxas, Ventus, Aqua and Terra and faces Xemnas, who reveals that original purpose of heartless research was to control human minds and that purpose of Organization 13 was to collect people who were fit to become vessels for Master Xehanort. 

- In his sleep, Sora had worn himself out and is now unable to fight back against Xehanorts plan. 

- Riku and Mickey find Sora along with other Xehanorts and it is revealed that Xehanort sought a true way of obtaining X-Blade, trigger new Keyblade War and obtain light within Kingdom Hearts: by creating thirteen keyblade wielders of darkness through passing a fragment of his own heart into their bodies and take over their minds, who would then collide with seven defenders of light. 

- As Riku is immune to darkness and Roxas moved on to Sora, Sora himself is going to be final piece in Xehanorts puzzle, however, Lea appears once again to rescue Sora (because of his promise he made for Roxas and Xion to protect them), therefore foiling MXs plans. 

- Since rules of time travel say that past cannot be changed, all Xehanorts are forced to go back on their time periods, with Master Xehanort vowing that 13 darkness vs 7 lights battle will happen in the future. 

- It is also revealed that among 13 Xehanorts, Isa is a member. 

- Sora has succumbed into darkness, so Riku goes into his heart and sets him free. 

Riku is made into a keyblade master, while Sora fails. 

Lea becomes keyblade wielder. 

- While Sora visits Sleeping Worlds to thank DreamEaters, Riku brings Kairi for Yensid to train into a keyblade wielder to face Xehanort threat.

Guess it's not as simple as you expect.

 - Sora and Riku are to take Mark of Mastery Exam and go to Sleeping Realm to free worlds that didn't make it back to their proper place after Sora and Riku closed Door to Darkness. 

- Riku is unsure if he is fit for the title because of his past with darkness. 

- Lea and others have returned after their defeat as nobodies, however Braig and Isa aren't there with them. 

- During their travel, Sora and Riku learn they have to unlock seven sleeping keyholes of seven sleeping worlds and they have been separated into two halves of the realm. - Maleficent attacks Disney Castle in order to obtain Data Worlds.

- Lea saves the day and wants to take training in order to become keyblade wielder. 

- Through their travel, Sora and Riku face Xemnas and Ansem once again, with Ansem trying to convert Riku back into darkness. These two are always accompanied by new figure, Young Xehanort who is able to time travel as long as he would follow three rules: always move on one direction, you have to have your future self waiting in the time period in order to stay there for long and past can never be changed. 

- After unlocking all the worlds, Sora and Riku are pulled back to the Realm In Between, in the World That Never Was, where Braig and new organization XIII puts him into sleep. Riku also arrives and finds out that Sora had been forced into sleeping and he fights Ansem once again. In his dream, Sora sees figures of Naminé, Xion, Roxas, Ventus, Aqua and Terra and faces Xemnas, who reveals that original purpose of heartless research was to control human minds and that purpose of Organization 13 was to collect people who were fit to become vessels for Master Xehanort. 

- In his sleep, Sora had worn himself out and is now unable to fight back against Xehanorts plan. 

- Riku and Mickey find Sora along with other Xehanorts and it is revealed that Xehanort sought a true way of obtaining X-Blade, trigger new Keyblade War and obtain light within Kingdom Hearts: by creating thirteen keyblade wielders of darkness through passing a fragment of his own heart into their bodies and take over their minds, who would then collide with seven defenders of light. 

- As Riku is immune to darkness and Roxas moved on to Sora, Sora himself is going to be final piece in Xehanorts puzzle, however, Lea appears once again to rescue Sora (because of his promise he made for Roxas and Xion to protect them), therefore foiling MXs plans. 

- Since rules of time travel say that past cannot be changed, all Xehanorts are forced to go back on their time periods, with Master Xehanort vowing that 13 darkness vs 7 lights battle will happen in the future. 

- It is also revealed that among 13 Xehanorts, Isa is a member. 

- Sora has succumbed into darkness, so Riku goes into his heart and sets him free. 

Riku is made into a keyblade master, while Sora fails. 

Lea becomes keyblade wielder. 

- While Sora visits Sleeping Worlds to thank DreamEaters, Riku brings Kairi for Yensid to train into a keyblade wielder to face Xehanort threat.

Guess it's not as simple as you expect.

It really is simple. You're just trying to make it sound complicated. 

It really is simple. You're just trying to make it sound complicated. 

Everything becomes simple when you start eliminating or ignoring. 

DDD:

Sora and Riku take the exam, Riku becomes a master, Sora fails

Xehanort travels forward through time and back again.

 

On top of what has already been mentioned, we learned that Xemnas lied about Nobodies and that they can grow hearts.

The very fact that time travel is introduced deserves more than a quick nod, as well as the logistics of it.

We learn Xehanort's true, ultimate goal, or at least the means by which he will achieve it.

If we're gonna go there, we might as well bring up Maleficent as well, as she's still cooking up schemes in this game, too.

We learned that Axel has returned to being Lea and that he is a Keyblade Wielder.

At the very end, we learn that Kairi will be trained by Yen Sid and Mickey.

 

So, yeah, there's a lot that makes DDD much more relevant to Coded. Not to mention that the bulk of Coded is just revisiting what has already been seen, whereas DDD introduces entirely new worlds and characters. 

On top of what has already been mentioned, we learned that Xemnas lied about Nobodies and that they can grow hearts.

The very fact that time travel is introduced deserves more than a quick nod, as well as the logistics of it.

We learn Xehanort's true, ultimate goal, or at least the means by which he will achieve it.

If we're gonna go there, we might as well bring up Maleficent as well, as she's still cooking up schemes in this game, too.

We learned that Axel has returned to being Lea and that he is a Keyblade Wielder.

At the very end, we learn that Kairi will be trained by Yen Sid and Mickey.

 

So, yeah, there's a lot that makes DDD much more relevant to Coded. Not to mention that the bulk of Coded is just revisiting what has already been seen, whereas DDD introduces entirely new worlds and characters. 

 

Yeah but Maleficent illustrates it perfectly:

 

in recoded AND DDD she has two short appearances and one try each to execute another of her schemes.

In KH1 and 2 she at least has more of these short episodes that builds up abit of excitement and does not just feature one rushed episode.

 

It's like they wanted to include a character cast of KH2 in DDD but they didn't take they time to develop each story.

 

and in terms of Maleficent, recoded is more important.

even in the remaster now, we learn about the tome, her schemes, how she learns about the data scape, her attacks, her defeat etc.

 

DDD has just one letter, one attack and immediate defeat

Yeah but Maleficent illustrates it perfectly:

 

in recoded AND DDD she has two short appearances and one try each to execute another of her schemes.

In KH1 and 2 she at least has more of these short episodes that builds up abit of excitement and does not just feature one rushed episode.

 

It's like they wanted to include a character cast of KH2 in DDD but they didn't take they time to develop each story.

 

and in terms of Maleficent, recoded is more important.

even in the remaster now, we learn about the tome, her schemes, how she learns about the data scape, her attacks, her defeat etc.

 

DDD has just one letter, one attack and immediate defeat

It's really not, though, because what did she accomplish? All she did in Coded was enter the Datascape, screwed with Sora by destroying his Data-Keyblade which he ended up rematerializing later anyway, then had to be saved by them once the data world started to destroy it. Yeah, in the remaster she mentioned the Tome but...so what? What does that mean for that story? If anything, that's just a tease for KHIII.

 

In DDD, what's the first thing she did? She took Queen Minnie Mouse hostage. Already she's done way more successfully than anything she attempted in Coded. And Coded deals with her first learning about the Datascape, whereas Dream Drop shows her actually beginning to stage her actual plan of using the worlds' data to conquer the universe. She fails both times, but Dream Drop took it to the next level.

 

And lest we forget that both Coded and DDD are portable games, so I wouldn't say that the developers just didn't take their time, it's more that they had to scale back due to the hardware limitations of the 3DS, as well as the DS. Originally, the secret ending of Coded with Yen Sid was supposed to be longer. Coded has one short scene regarding the Tome, sure, but you seem to be leaving out her scheme, attack and defeat in Dream Drop, as well. Not to mention the fact that Maleficent is the actual main villain of Coded, whereas she's back to being a minor villain in Dream Drop due to the machinations of Xehanort and his time travel stuff. So, using her as the main reason why Coded does a lot more is kind of unfair.

 

 I'm sorry, but I just cannot agree with you that Coded has more meaning and relevance than Dream Drop Distance, because it simply doesn't. 

Edited October 14, 201411 yr by Kaweebo

What's the point to bring characters back over and over again.

You can only do this so many times.

Not only does it lose logic and credibility, but it also destroys this images that made each character unique.

 

 

I'm pretty sure this right here is completely logical and credible. Each revival is justifiable and doesn't even take away from a character's unique qualities.

 

Besides, this isn't the first time a series has done this. I mean, no one complained when they revived everyone like 5-10 times in Dragonball Z (they didn't even justify it. Literally, they broke the ground rules they had set at the beginning of the series so many times.)

It's really not, though, because what did she accomplish? All she did in Coded was enter the Datascape, screwed with Sora by destroying his Data-Keyblade which he ended up rematerializing later anyway, then had to be saved by them once the data world started to destroy it. Yeah, in the remaster she mentioned the Tome but...so what? What does that mean for that story? If anything, that's just a tease for KHIII.

 

In DDD, what's the first thing she did? She took Queen Minnie Mouse hostage. Already she's done way more successfully than anything she attempted in Coded. And Coded deals with her first learning about the Datascape, whereas Dream Drop shows her actually beginning to stage her actual plan of using the worlds' data to conquer the universe. She fails both times, but Dream Drop took it to the next level.

 

And lest we forget that both Coded and DDD are portable games, so I wouldn't say that the developers just didn't take their time, it's more that they had to scale back due to the hardware limitations of the 3DS, as well as the DS. Originally, the secret ending of Coded with Yen Sid was supposed to be longer. Coded has one short scene regarding the Tome, sure, but you seem to be leaving out her scheme, attack and defeat in Dream Drop, as well. Not to mention the fact that Maleficent is the actual main villain of Coded, whereas she's back to being a minor villain in Dream Drop due to the machinations of Xehanort and his time travel stuff. So, using her as the main reason why Coded does a lot more is kind of unfair.

 

 I'm sorry, but I just cannot agree with you that Coded has more meaning and relevance than Dream Drop Distance, because it simply doesn't. 

You seem to be under the impression that bolder actions are equal to better story. Sure, Maleficent takes Minnie hostage... so? We don't know how, her being taken hostage doesn't actually give us anything fro the story, and Maleficent's motive is just a continuation of Re:Coded

Compare D!Sora losing his keyblade, we find something VERY interesting from that. Data, beings without hearts, for one thing, but also beings that aren't really beings at all... they can still call forth a true keyblade. Pretty useful. We also know Maleficent and Pete can manipulate data, we know that Maleficient found out something about the power of the journal, and now we know something about the Tome of Prophecy, too. Pretty valuable stuff, overall, and that's just Maleficent.

This is the big thing, really, Re:Coded has roots that stretch into the past and some leaning into the future as well, while DDD is a largely self contained. Every important element of DDD could happen at any time, becuase they don't rely on context much, if at all. This makes it less significant because the big ideas can be bundled together easily, like, say, in a five minute cutscenes

I'm sure the game can be remastered just fine.  They can tune the controls to work with a PS3 controller, plus, the title doesn't necessarily symbollize 3D.  Sure, it's named KH3D and it goes perfectly well for the 3DS, but remember that KH3D stands for the three words: Dream, Drop, Distance.  Anyways though, I'm sure Nomura will work this out somehow.  If all else fails, we'll probably just get KH3D in cutscene format.

They still need to remove things and one of the important is YX's time clock.

I don't expect a full remaster but rather a video volume like Days/Re:Coded that will be included with KH III

Lol, you deleted most of the important things in KH3D and you wanna say that Coded was more important? I can barely see the important cutscenes in Coded unlike KH3D, which has a lot of important cutscenes. KH3D reveals a lot of truths, it shows that most of your thoughts about the story were wrong but Coded didn't have the potential to do that and it doesn't even give shocking scenes as much as KH3D.You see the points you've mentioned about Coded? These were the only important things in that title, but you've missed more than half the story on the points you've mentioned for KH3D.You're welcomed to re watch KH3D cutscenes in KH13 though.

Can't we all just hate Kingdom Hearts V-cast!? 

 

Seriously though, both games were important. I find that there is no point in trying to rationalize one way or the other. They're there, they happened, they contributed to the plot, they ARE important, move on everyone. 

I'm sure the game can be remastered just fine.  They can tune the controls to work with a PS3 controller, plus, the title doesn't necessarily symbollize 3D.  Sure, it's named KH3D and it goes perfectly well for the 3DS, but remember that KH3D stands for the three words: Dream, Drop, Distance.  Anyways though, I'm sure Nomura will work this out somehow.  If all else fails, we'll probably just get KH3D in cutscene format.

Again. PS3. PS4. 3D compatible. 3D TV. 3D OPTION. Professor. Lava. HOT!!!   

 

Is like, nobody listening?