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What if Xehanort is a good guy?

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Xehanort believes he's the hero

but he's definitely not

he overwrights people's hearts with his own

he outright murdered several people

he's released three separate types of monsters into all of the worlds

his keyblade has a freaking goat's head on it

What if he was actually a good guy? Xehanort thought that unlocking all the worlds secrets and understanding just how the worlds was made through conflict. Believing that the world was made from the great darkness of the war, Xehanort believed that another war would be the perfect way to recreate the universe into a more ideal one. Him believing so made him fall into darkness. But, what if he was secretly channelling it similar to Riku? We don't know much of Xehanort plans. We know that he wants to create a organisation with his heart implanted into theirs. But what if it's much more than that? Xehanort just wants to see the outcome of the world, after the recreation of the war. So, he was forced to a new vessel. Not doing so will make him die before the outcome. He tried Ventus, but he was weak and become use for the X blade. (Which he needed to recreate the war.) He tried Terra, which it worked. (He was forced because Terra was the only one capable to be his vessel at that time.) I believie secretly that Xehanort just wanted to see the outcome of the war. Nothing else.

This would be unexpected, sure! And I would be pleased to hear that since there could be more possibilities for him to survive the final battle against the GoL but... I also believe Xehanort's charm also comes from his being extremely sly, forward-looking and "wise" (in a dark way of course). So, I'm not that sure this plot twist is what I want to happen in KH3... ....good Lord, this is really confusing me! :O

Edited by Seeker Of Nothingness

What if those delicious beverages you enjoy were actually pulverized sneakers mixed with carrot tears? Good, bad, meh. It's all a matter of perspective

People saying that Xehanort's pure evil because he's selfish or has hurt this or that person totally reminds me of people judging this dude called Severus Snape.

 

ANYWAY

 

I hope there's not some grand upset where Xehanort was secretly preventing some greater villain all along, but I definitely think "pure evil" is a bit much; one of his best speeches involves how darkness is actually the underdog, and the "tyranny of light" is what's keeping people from seeing the world in a more balanced view. And to a certain extent, he's right. He's also megalomaniacal and egocentric, sure, but he has made some good points, and it's a shame more people don't really key into the nuance.

People saying that Xehanort's pure evil because he's selfish or has hurt this or that person totally reminds me of people judging this dude called Severus Snape.

 

ANYWAY

 

I hope there's not some grand upset where Xehanort was secretly preventing some greater villain all along, but I definitely think "pure evil" is a bit much; one of his best speeches involves how darkness is actually the underdog, and the "tyranny of light" is what's keeping people from seeing the world in a more balanced view. And to a certain extent, he's right. He's also megalomaniacal and egocentric, sure, but he has made some good points, and it's a shame more people don't really key into the nuance.

 

The difference being J.K. Rowling is actually a good writer.

 

It reminds me more of Voldemort. Sure, I'll bet Tom Riddle had good motivations at first too, and had a rather tragic and relatable upbringing. Except no one ever questions that Voldemort is the villain, the guy who's mad machinations are directly threatening hundreds if not thousands of lives. He was never a good guy in the books and never aided the main characters the way Snape did (remember how he saved Harry's life in Sorceror's Stone?). Any instance of him interacting with any of the good guys was blatantly hostile, just like Xehanort.

 

Also my opinion that people who "key into the nuance" of MX are looking really hard for things that just aren't there (at least, not yet).

No matter what Xehanort's true intentions are: creating a world in which light and darkness exist in balance or just wanting to f*ck up the whole universe, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if HE thinks his intentions are good regardless of methods or outcome. What matters is that in his "crusade" for a perfect world, he has uprooted the lives of all the main characters: destroying their homes, taking their bodies, turning friends against each other etc. It's not a sign of a good guy. He's ruined lives, he's ruined worlds and the balance of the the two powers he was trying to balance. Not to mention his "solution" is to destroy everything without actually trying to FIX everything. Destroying everything doesn't destroy the problem- the problems still exist and will return to corrupt his perfect world. The problems need to be fixed by the people living in that universe. It doesn't matter what his intentions are, he's been doing it the wrong way. And that's why he isn't, or ever be, a good guy.

Edited by awesomeinmyworld

The difference being J.K. Rowling is actually a good writer.

 

It reminds me more of Voldemort. Sure, I'll bet Tom Riddle had good motivations at first too, and had a rather tragic and relatable upbringing. Except no one ever questions that Voldemort is the villain, the guy who's mad machinations are directly threatening hundreds if not thousands of lives. He was never a good guy in the books and never aided the main characters the way Snape did (remember how he saved Harry's life in Sorceror's Stone?). Any instance of him interacting with any of the good guys was blatantly hostile, just like Xehanort.

 

Also my opinion that people who "key into the nuance" of MX are looking really hard for things that just aren't there (at least, not yet).

Interesting analysis... though I don't think there was every any point where Tom Riddle could have been considered "good" =P. His backstory was tragic, certainly, but there was never any motivation for him to right the wrongs of his childhood; on the contrary, he sought to create a world that, either knowingly or unknowingly, would produce another person just like him.

 

Which, of course, does to an extent sound like Xehanort, but in a different sort of way.

 

Snape, on the other hand, did help Harry and others, but out of this twisted loyalty to Harry's dead mother (spoilers, duh) whom he had an unrequited crush on. There was never anything good about Snape's motivations (Dumbledore was basically blackmailing him into doing anything he didn't want to do anyway), except for the fact that the end results were good ones. So for Snape, clearly the ends justify the means. Xehanort very obviously thinks so too, it's just that his ends, so far, haven't been very good ones for our protagonists.

 

I'm not saying Xehanort's an out and out good guy; he's very obviously a villain, but there's layers to his actions, and complexities to his character, which undoubtedly we will see even more of in KH3.

If he really was to do something good he had told it to Eraqus and just the way his evil grin all the time.

What's the saying, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"? Regardless of what he wants Kingdom Hearts for, the ends don't justify the means. It's his actions, not his beleifs, that make him a villain. Besids, Nomura outright said he's a sociopath. I don't have the interview at hand but after 3D he said something about Xehanort not feeling the need to justify his actions because of that. And, while Nomura didn't say this part, that statement makes it seem like his explanation to Mickey was less justification and more like an adult explaining to a child why things are the way they are. Condecendingly I might add.

Edited by Isamu_Kuno

Honestly, I don't want Xehanort to be a good guy.  He's perfect as the villain, and I prefer he stays that way!  You know what they say: "Behind every great hero, there's a greater villain!"  I want him to die without having any regrets for the things he did.  Because seriously, if he hasn't shown any regret for all the lives he's destroyed over the course of the series, he shouldn't be feeling regret near the end of it all, right?  What I do think will be interesting is how we'll probably be witness to Xehanort's descent from a curious, knowledge-thirsty youth to the ambitious old man he's become.  I'm guessing we'll get more flashback scenes detailing Xehanort's life in Kingdom hearts III! :D

I thought it was pretty obvious that he's been a good guy all along. I mean he took out the whole BBS trio so he doesn't seem too bad har har harrr

People saying that Xehanort's pure evil because he's selfish or has hurt this or that person totally reminds me of people judging this dude called Severus Snape. 

 

You mean the guy who bullied, antagonized, and mentally scarred a student with whom he is entrusted to care for (Neville), to the point where his worst fear is literally Severus Snape?

 

Just because he had an awkward crush doesn't mean he wasn't kind of a lousy guy.

 

Same with Xehanort. Just because the end goal might have merit doesn't mean that all the lives he's ruined isn't a really shitty thing to do.

Master Xehanort may have been doing this for his own curiosity but by the way he is doing it making these people hurt is still wrong.

Edited by SorRik

What if he was actually a good guy? Xehanort thought that unlocking all the worlds secrets and understanding just how the worlds was made through conflict. Believing that the world was made from the great darkness of the war, Xehanort believed that another war would be the perfect way to recreate the universe into a more ideal one. Him believing so made him fall into darkness. But, what if he was secretly channelling it similar to Riku? We don't know much of Xehanort plans. We know that he wants to create a organisation with his heart implanted into theirs. But what if it's much more than that? Xehanort just wants to see the outcome of the world, after the recreation of the war. So, he was forced to a new vessel. Not doing so will make him die before the outcome. He tried Ventus, but he was weak and become use for the X blade. (Which he needed to recreate the war.) He tried Terra, which it worked. (He was forced because Terra was the only one capable to be his vessel at that time.) I believie secretly that Xehanort just wanted to see the outcome of the war. Nothing else.

 

Or it could turn out like InuYasha where it turns out that Kingdom Hearts has its own consciousness and has taken control of Xehanort to reconstruct itself from the 13 shards of darkness and 7 shards of light that it broke into.

 

Whats InuYasha?

 

 

Its about the battle for a Jewel of supreme power that split into many shards

The man bad guy also creates copies of himself that he calls his 'offspring'

In the end it turns out the Main bad guy of the series was being manipulated used by the Jewel itself which had its own Consciousness for self preservation through bloodshed

 

 

Someone who has used people for his own gain, practically killed a child by keyblade, killed their own friend, took 13 vessels as his own, said "I hope so" in a way that makes him look like he WANTS a fight to the death in Fight Club, and basically messed everyone's lives up because of curiosity can't be good.

 

And I don't want him to be preventing a greater evil, or be a pawn of someone else. Xehanort is the main villain and he's gonna die in the end, and I will enjoy every second of it because HE'S A SOCIOPATH. THAT IS ALL.

Edited by KeybladeLordSora

He intentionally killed his best male friend Eraqus. If that doesn't scream evil then I do not know what does.

  • 2 weeks later...

The seeker of darkness has more good than Xeahnort. (He is so evil he doesn't deserve to have his name spelled correctly.)

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