It just feels so off to me

 

from 10-2 through 13 to XIV(even the realm reborn version) including a couple of spin-off games(except Dissidia 012 and Crisis Core those were pure awesomeness)

 

I just didn't had that grand and epic feeling that I used to get from a Final Fantasy game......XIII-2 is a semi-exception to that as I think it's much better than 12(And I hate Vaan with a passion by the way)......but I still had that feeling that there is something really off

 

 

When I was replaying FF4 through the Complete collection on the PSP....I felt that epic feeling once again....the story,the characters,the world,the battle system and that soundtrack of legends by Nobou Uematsu......everything felt right and it continued with games like FFVII and FFIX

 

Despite the graphical limitations back in the 90's,they still managed to create an outstanding experience to compensate for the limitations they had back then,but I don't understand how they got worse with the advance of the technology,I don't mean in graphics,but in story-telling and the world of the games,while for me it very slowly started with FF8,at least FF8 has a world of it's own to explore and see despite the awful story,something that XIII completely lacked with it's lifeless boring hallways that took 0% advantage of the supposedly beautiful world of Cocoon.

 

 

I know that FFXV is looking great and awesome from what we've seen in E3,but will Square be able to bring back that feeling the old games once had............again it's not about me being a nostalgia whore no no no no,I mean will they be able to create those magical & epic stories once again and maintain the essence of what made Final Fantasy great in the first place???

 

Because one of the reason I have those worries to the extreme now,is that the new committee that Square made to ensure the series's quality,consist of the same people that ruined it in the first place like Toriyama.

 

I wanna see more of this:

 

 

 

 

and less of this:

 

 

MUCH LESS OF THIS

To be honest, aside from X, none of them after VI/6 gave me that feeling. Like you said, there are a few sidegames that are exceptions, but I hated 8, 10-2, and 12, I'm not going to get XIII (I'll get XIII-2 though, since I heard it's better), and XI and XIV don't count since they're MMOs. 7 wasn't bad, but was too flawed to really be called good, and while IX was good, it wasn't on par with any of the first 6 or X. The FF crazy died for me quickly. ._.

I honestly don't think there have been enough modern Final Fantasy games released to make that judgement.

 

I honestly think that they've been trying hard to tell a good story, and objectively speaking FFXIII isn't a bad story, it's just plagued by bad aspects that lesser the experience. X-2 was trying to hard to cater to a certain crowd and was made as more of a cash in on a success, and given that it isn't a main game I don't think you can even count it.

 

You can't really count XI or XIV either, as they're both MMO's and are therefore not even the same genre as the others... the structure of an MMO doesn't facilitate what you want out of the games.

 

That leaves you with three games you can really judge, XII, XIII, XIII-2. Then you have Lightning Returns on its way and FFXV also on its way.

 

I have yet to see a compelling argument for why FFXII sucks. Mostly the hate for that game seems centered more around the 'main character' Vaan not actually having any significance. But what I have seen of that game shows me that it has a story that is at least passable, characters that aren't impossible to tolerate, and from what I've seen, moments in the game are legitimately awesome. It does feel like a Final Fantasy game. And in any case, the fanbase is split down the middle on it... some like it and some don't. But that can be said for pretty much every other game. There will always be people who like it and people who hate it, and the ratio varies.

 

The same thing goes for FFXIII, I personally don't like it. But really the only reason I say that is because of the battle system that I can't stand. Buy the story does seem good. I was actually pretty interested in it, but I just couldn't get past the gameplay. And above all, it still did feel like I was playing a Final Fantasy game...And the fanbase is still split on it. You have people like me who don't like it based solely on the gameplay, and you have people who hate it in general, then you have people like Spiderfreak who swear by it on all counts... 

 

So that makes two games that aren't bad by universal standards, 12 and 13, two games that aren't technically the same genre as the games before and can't honestly be used in comparisons, XI and XIV, you have a game that is obviously a fanservicey cash in and is also a spin off, X-2... that isn't the best track record you can use for "Final Fantasy games are in the shitter", no, that's two games that some people like and some people hate that both still feel to be in the same vein as a Final Fantasy game... they just aren't for everybody, and that's not something you can hold against them..

 

And then you have XIII-2 which from what I've heard is considered an improvement over XIII...

 

And then you have the two upcoming games, Lightning Returns and FFXV, which both feel like games that could potentially be amazing....

 

So when people say that modern Final Fantasy games suck.... I kind of raise an eyebrow, because they really don't. They're not bad games at all.

XIII has a great story imo,but it almost got 80% retconned in XIII-2 and LRFFXIII in terms of mythos from the first XIII

 

the story is good and the battle system,but everything from the bullshit crystarium to the hallways

 

speaking of modern games,I mean from X-2 up until now

 

Which includes

 

X-2

 

12

 

XIII

 

some spin-off games like some of the Crystal Chronicle games

 

all of the iOS FF games

 

up until FFXIV....yeah A Realm Reborn fixed it but I still don't have that old feeling of grand and epicness

 

And I hate 12 not just because of Vaan,but I have lots of problems with this game

Edited October 22, 201312 yr by Metal Snake

Besides,it's not just they're bad by FF standards...some of them aren't even as good as other JRPGs in the market right now

 

 

A world where you can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in FFXIII is unacceptable......heck the Kanto region in Pokemon RedBlue is bigger than the entirety of Cocoon and that's just sad to say

Final Fantasy XIII was a beautiful movie. 

Final Fantasy XIII was a beautiful movie. 

it's Heavy Rain in JRPG form

Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhh, I'm not getting into this again. Everybody is allowed to love and hate whichever Final Fantasy games they want. Peace out!

This thread. Again.

This thread. Again.

Yeah I know we have thousands of those.....but it's just won't stop unless Square's step it up

 

Final Fantasy is a huge name that even Square themselves don't know how big it is in the JRPG community

 

That's why when they put less caring in a game it becomes so apparent 

Yeah I know we have thousands of those.....but it's just won't stop unless Square's step it up Final Fantasy is a huge name that even Square themselves don't know how big it is in the JRPG community That's why when they put less caring in a game it becomes so apparent

I would love to see you write a story I appreciate as much as that of XII.The beauty of Final Fantasy is that there is a game for just about everyone.Shooters, classic RPG, puzzles. You don't have to like them all, but they're there for those who do.

I would love to see you write a story I appreciate as much as that of XII.

Look,I'm no writer even though I had a couple of fanfics in my head....but I'm no story writer.

 

However,that doesn't mean if I can't tell I see a certain story is good or bad

 

the Story of 12 is not bad by any stretch of the imagination....it's just Vaan is one of it worst aspect.

 

It looks like Vaan isn't even the main protagonist of the game....most of the important actions taken...especially against Gabranth...has been done mostly by Basch....he barely do anything aside from a couple of fights and shouting his dream of becoming a sky pirate over & over.....it looks like that Basch was supposed to be the main protagonist but they wanted to have a pretty face so they chose Vaan instead

 

my problem with 12 is mostly with the battle system.

 

As for bad story,look no more than the plot hole paradise of FF8 and Charlie's Angel knock-offs of FF 10-2

Edited October 22, 201312 yr by Metal Snake

Look,I'm no writer even though I had a couple of fanfics in my head....but I'm no story writer. However,that doesn't mean if I can't tell I see a certain story is good or bad the Story of 12 is not bad by any stretch of the imagination....it's just Vaan is one of it worst aspect. It looks like Vaan isn't even the main protagonist of the game....most of the important actions taken...especially against Gabranth...has been done mostly by Basch....he barely do anything aside from a couple of fights and shouting his dream of becoming a sky pirate over & over.....it looks like that Basch was supposed to be the main protagonist but they wanted to have a pretty face so they chose Vaan instead my problem with 12 is mostly with the battle system. As for bad story,look no more than the plot hole paradise of FF8 and Charlie's Angel knock-offs of FF 10-2

XII wasn't about the characters. It was about the bigger picture.I think that's why so many people hate Vaan. They missed the point.Though I must agree with you on X-2. xDVIII had its problems, but it also had some interesting plot devices thatI think redeemed it at least a little.

What was your first clue?

 

I'd argue FFX was the downfall while still remaining a decent game overall, but when they started making numbered FF entries into MMO's (No matter how good you may think they are) something was very terribly wrong there.

Edited October 22, 201312 yr by Kaweebo

In my opinion FFXII kept the FF appeal a lot more than XIII and its sequel.

What was your first clue?

 

I'd argue FFX was the downfall while still remaining a decent game overall, but when they started making numbered FF entries into MMO's (No matter how good you may think they are) something was very terribly wrong there.

I never liked XI at all

 

and for me it started very slowly to fall with FF8....it's just that fall wasn't noticable because 7 was still fresh and popular and 9 was a great game

 

There are many things wrong with FF8 that it's hard to ignore both in the plotholes of the story to the absolute boredom that is the junction system

Edited October 22, 201312 yr by Metal Snake

I never liked XI at all

 

and for me it started very slowly to fall with FF8....it's just that fall wasn't noticable because 7 was still fresh and popular and 9 was a great game

 

There are many things wrong with FF8 that it's hard to ignore both in the plotholes of the story to the absolute boredom that is the junction system

I agree wholeheartedly, though FFIX cleared that up pretty well. I think what they were going with with IX was a return to the Final Fantasies of old (I-VI) and they managed it pretty well.  It'd be easy to look back on VIII as a minor blunder for Squaresoft in the 90's. I think X was the straw that broke the camel's back, though. From the very second Tidus delivers that awful forced laugh, I knew something was a little off.

 

I don't really like MMO's in general, though they have their place. I just think it's wrong to make numbered titles of a single-player JRPG series into an MMO. Especially considering these 'stories' will never be finished, much like almost every multiplayer online game. They will end when the company funding the servers shuts them down. There's nothing plot-wise to be gained, really. A spin-off, fine, but when I heard the 'NEXT INSTALLMENT IN THE MAIN FINAL FANTASY FRANCHISE' was going to be a P2P online game, I died a little inside.

 

And then again when XIV was announced. 

Edited October 22, 201312 yr by Kaweebo

I agree wholeheartedly, though FFIX cleared that up pretty well. I think what they were going with with IX was a return to the Final Fantasies of old (I-VI) and they managed it pretty well.  It'd be easy to look back on VIII as a minor blunder for Squaresoft in the 90's. I think X was the straw that broke the camel's back, though. From the very second Tidus delivers that awful forced laugh, I knew something was a little off.

 

I don't really like MMO's in general, though they have their place. I just think it's wrong to make numbered titles of a single-player JRPG series into an MMO. Especially considering these 'stories' will never be finished, much like almost every multiplayer online game. They will end when the company funding the servers shuts them down. There's nothing plot-wise to be gained, really. A spin-off, fine, but when I heard the 'NEXT INSTALLMENT IN THE MAIN FINAL FANTASY FRANCHISE' was going to be a P2P online game, I died a little inside.

 

And then again when XIV was announced. 

Yeah,FF11 should have been a spin-off and 12,13,14 and maybe even 15 because it might feel more like a Kingdom Hearts game rather then a Final Fantasy(From what I've seen at least,but I might be wrong and FF15 might feel like a FF because of its story why knows.)It should be illigal to do what they're doing,its like buying Super Mario Bros. 4 and expecting it to be a platformer,but instead it ends up playing like Mario Party,its false advertising. LOL

 

I was watching the opening of FF4 on PSP the other day and it looks gorgeous and I wish they would try to do at least ONE Final Fantasy game on the PS4 that feels like that opening,with the castles,the crystals,the knights,black mages,princesses and kings,no modern cities,no robots and of course the open worlds and the old battle systems.

Y'know a remake of FF5 and FF6 on the 3DS would've been awesome....but NOPE

 

ALL OF THOSE ARE REMADE FOR iOS

 

I don't get those baffling decisions with the iOS!!!

 

the 3DS is selling like crazy,RPGs like Fire Emblem Awakening,Shin Megamin Tensei 4 and Pokemon X&Y are selling like crazy on it.....so why in the hell Square can't do a FF6 remake on the 3DS.....I don't get it

 

the iOS market has got them nothing but huge loss of money...yet they still approach that market with garbage like FF All The Bravest,endless ports of previous games on iOS and more shit like that.

Does Dissidia count as well?

Does Dissidia count as well?

I said Dissidia is an exception as it was made by Nomura,the only guy left in Square Enix that actually still knows what a Final Fantasy game is

So you wanna see PSOne graphics? Hahaha.

 

I love X and XIII. And if you don't enjoy them, I feel sorry for you. Every FINAL FANTASY game Nomura has worked on has been great.

So you wanna see PSOne graphics? Hahaha.

 

I love X and XIII. And if you don't enjoy them, I feel sorry for you. Every FINAL FANTASY game Nomura has worked on has been great.

Boy do I love random assumption.........I never said I don't want great graphics in any of my posts since  Final Fantasy always delivers on that aspect

 

I used to love the original XIII more than even SpiderFreak did and I loved it's story and battle system....until I realized the world map and dungeons design sucked all kinds of ass in history of JRPGs

 

I think XIII-2 is much much better in terms of places I can visit and the things I can do

 

I'm still yet to play FF X through the HD collection as I lost my Ps2 copy of the game so I won't judge it until I play it myself

 

By the way,from 7 to 13 Nomura worked only as the designer of characters and directed a little bit of 7....other than that he didn't direct any of the main titles until XV which was initially a spin-off game by the name of Versus XIII

Edited October 23, 201312 yr by Metal Snake

Boy do I love random assumption.........I never said I don't want great graphics in any of my posts since  Final Fantasy always delivers on that aspect

 

I used to love the original XIII more than even SpiderFreak did and I loved it's story and battle system....until I realized the world map and dungeons design sucked all kinds of ass in history of JRPGs

 

I think XIII-2 is much much better in terms of places I can visit and the things I can do

 

I'm still yet to play FF X through the HD collection as I lost my Ps2 copy of the game so I won't judge it until I play it myself

 

By the way,from 7 to 13 Nomura worked only as the designer of characters and directed a little bit of 7....other than that he didn't direct any of the main titles until XV which was initially a spin-off game by the name of Versus XIII

 

It wasn't a spin-off. 

 

XIII-2's story is horrible in comparison to XIII in my opinion. Everglow agrees with me too. 

 

Well of course you're still yet to play through the HD Collection. It's not coming out till 2014 in English.

It wasn't a spin-off. 

 

XIII-2's story is horrible in comparison to XIII in my opinion. Everglow agrees with me too. 

 

Well of course you're still yet to play through the HD Collection. It's not coming out till 2014 in English.

Versus XIII was meant to be a part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis sub series that consist of the XIII games,Type-0 and Versus XIII

 

Versus XIII wasn't meant to be a numbered title....but the project was too big to be a side game so they decided to change it into FF XV

 

By the way....90% of XIII's story get retconned in the other two games in the XIII trilogy....making XIII almost non existent.

 

Aside from the main characters and a couple of plot points...nothing from XIII was carried over....the rule of the Fal'cie and the concept of the L'cie became pointless since in XIII-2 everyone now can use magic without being a L'cie due to crystal feums(if that's a correct spelling) that spread around after Cocoon's fall.And the ONLY remaining L'cie that is still alive and active is Snow....aside from Snow being a L'cie....the Fal'cie play no important rules in the story....not even in Caius's plan in XIII-2 or the end of the world in LRFFXIII

Versus XIII was meant to be a part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis sub series that consist of the XIII games,Type-0 and Versus XIII

 

Versus XIII wasn't meant to be a numbered title....but the project was too big to be a side game so they decided to change it into FF XV

 

By the way....90% of XIII's story get retconned in the other two games in the XIII trilogy....making XIII almost non existent.

 

Aside from the main characters and a couple of plot points...nothing from XIII was carried over....the rule of the Fal'cie and the concept of the L'cie became pointless since in XIII-2 everyone now can use magic without being a L'cie due to crystal feums(if that's a correct spelling) that spread around after Cocoon's fall.And the ONLY remaining L'cie that is still alive and active is Snow....aside from Snow being a L'cie....the Fal'cie play no important rules in the story....not even in Caius's plan in XIII-2 or the end of the world in LRFFXIII

 

Exactly our point. And I don't think time travel "works" for FF.