I have recently sent to "TheGamersJoint" a message offering this theory, and here it is :

 

Hey Cynic, 

 

I've been watching your videos for just a few days ever since KHIII's trailer came out, and you actually caught my attention with how dedicated you are to share information about the franchise. 

 

For a while, I've been thinking of something that maybe not many of thought of it this way, but hear me out. I believe that calling Roxas as Sora's nobody is a grave mistake, and this could mean many things for the future of the franchise. 

 

To start things off, I have watched your video concerning the famous question "Why does Ventus look like Roxas?", as you clarified it with the events linked with KH1 and KHBBS. However, there is still a concern with, like you said in that video, saying that Roxas IS Sora's nobody. I believe it isn't the case.

 

Let's start with obvious basics of what has been thought to Sora : When someone gives in their heart to the world, a heartless and nobody is born from that person. An example of this is Xehanorth with Ansem and Xemnas. But let's notice something : they have nothing in common in physical appearances. We can say the same for Naminé and Kairi ; originally thought to be linked. But, it's interesting ever since KHDDD where, at the end of the game, most of Organization XIII members, after awaking from their slumber and being "restored" to people, they look the same? This nobody theory seems controversial to me. 

 

From KHBBS' information, it has been shown that Ventus has been accepted in Sora's heart to dorm in while his body sleeps after his battle against Vanitas. Like in your video where you talk about this topic, I believe it is correct to say that Ventus was released in KH1 where Sora "sacrifices" himself for everyone he held in his own heart. However, this is the key part to understand WHO we see as "Roxas" appears into Twilight Town for the first time.

 

He appears infront of Twilight Town's mansion, speechless. Shortly, Xemnas appears out of the blue to adress "Roxas". As he introduces him to his identity, I sincerely believe that Xemnas had Xehanorth's point of view over the situation. He saw this as a new chance to take this as a vessel of darkness. Let's call, "Roxas", Ventus, as I'm positive it is actually him. Ventus then gets renamed ROXAS, a code name for SORA. 

 

It is even further obvious to me that the boy we see is Ventus with vacant memories of his true past, because of the following reasons. 

 

1: Xion's creation. She was made out of memories purely, just like a heart is in the world of Kingdom Hearts. The distinction from both is that Xion was modelled from Sora while Ventus had a share of his own core with Sora's, which permitted him to even exist again. 

2: The controversial point I stated earlier in KHDDD, where Organization XIII reborns as their identical selves physically, is noticeable with Sora and Ventus : Ventus returns to Sora without Sora changing. 

3: It has been mentionned in multiple games (KH2, KH358/2 Days for example) that it's surprising to see a Keyblade wielder as a Nobody. If no other Nobody has ever been able to wield a keyblade, shouldn't this be a notice that Ventus isn't a representation of a true Nobody? Doesn't a Keyblade choose a master to reflects a sense of purity inside of themselves, like Sora shows in KH1 VS Riku? 

4: If Nobodies truly cannot feel, why is it that Ventus could feel remorse for the people he loses, like Xion? 

5: Isn't  a coincidence that Ventus starts again a life exactly the way he was found by Xehanorth in KHBBS, how he had NO clue of who he even was? 

 

These things have been connecting in my mind for a long time. Make this into a video of what you think. Because, the point of all of this, is : 

 

If it only was Ventus, we have not truly seen who Sora's nobody is. If this is correct, KH3 might reveal the true secret behind the creation of nobodies.

 

EDIT :  Chucky the Wise And Flaming Lea

 

Were both VERY helpful people to answer questions, check them out!

Edited June 22, 201510 yr by Cryxe

Wow, this is a blast form the past

 

alright, let's begin

 

Roxas is Sora's body, with Ventus' damaged heart. The heart determines the shape of the body, that's why Xemnas looks like Terra, while Ansem looks like Xehanort. They are special exceptions to the rule

 

It's surprising to see a Nobody as a keyblade wielder because you need a heart to wield a keyblade, however

 

Nobodies have hearts, or rather, they gradually grow them. This is why Organization members express and feel, to varying degrees

 

But yeah, looong since been confirmed that Roxas is Sora's Nobody

Roxas is NOT Ventus. Or Ven's Nobody. He's Sora's body with the heart of Ventus, along with Ven's appearance.

This is why I say Roxas and Ventus will 'merge' to become one whole being once Sora returns Ven's heart to him. He'll be Ventus, but with the memories of Roxas. He'll be both Roxas and Ventus, the 'little brother' of Terra and Aqua, the former apprentice of Master Xehanort, but also the best friend of Axel and the other half of Sora. He will have personal ties with almost every character in the series in some capacity, even moreso than Sora. This would make him, essentially, a whole being, as if Roxas were just Ventus with amnesia. 

 

Not to mention, but it'd also make Ventus much more bearable. I like his character in BBS, but he was very much a 'kid', even moreso than Sora. But Roxas is much more mature and adult. I think this would be a great way to expand both characters though I know a lot of people may disagree with me.

 

He is Sora's Nobody, don't get me wrong, but he possesses Ventus' heart and this also, in a way, makes him Ventus' Nobody. The difference being that Sora kept who he was despite Roxas' creation, but the spirit of Ventus (that is to say, his physical form) lived on through Sora's body.

Edited June 22, 201510 yr by Kaweebo

@hatok 

 

I don't understand what you mean by how Xemnas looks like Terra nor how Ansem looks like Xehanort...

 

Why would their be special exceptions? If the games have shown us directly how a nobody looked different from its owner just like Sora and Ventus were, wouldn't this mean that Kairi and Xehanorth have both accepted people that were expulsed from their boddies as well? There must be a logical link in all of this, especially after the presentation in KHBBS. 

Wow, this is a blast form the past

 

alright, let's begin

 

Roxas is Sora's body, with Ventus' damaged heart. The heart determines the shape of the body, that's why Xemnas looks like Terra, while Ansem looks like Xehanort. They are special exceptions to the rule

 

It's surprising to see a Nobody as a keyblade wielder because you need a heart to wield a keyblade, however

 

Nobodies have hearts, or rather, they gradually grow them. This is why Organization members express and feel, to varying degrees

 

But yeah, looong since been confirmed that Roxas is Sora's Nobody

 

This^^^ and here's Nomuras words:

 

1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’s heart. 



As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora 
and Ventus’s hearts are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of
 Sora, was affected by that link and looks just like Ventus.

 When Sora was born into the world, he linked with Ventus and filled in his 
fractured heart. Many years later, when Ventus was on the verge of
 disappearing after his fight with Vanitas, Sora took him into his own
 heart.

2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

Because he had gotten too close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.



 Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the
 fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Chamber of Waking. Both
 Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’s “real selves”, and when he felt 
their presence it made him faint.

3: Is it possible that Roxas has a heart?

It is thought that it could be Ventus’s heart.



 In KHIIFM there were clues to him having a heart, and in Days we saw
 Roxas crying–proof that he could have a heart. As was said in Q1, he 
has taken a lot of himself from Ventus. But perhaps when Sora and Roxas
 were separated, Ventus’s heart stayed in Roxas?

4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?

Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’s Keyblades.



 Sora can wield two Keyblades at once because he has Ventus’s as well as
 his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days, Roxas
 awakened his ability to dual-wield after fighting Xion. In KHII, once
 Sora absorbed Roxas, he could also dual-wield. Roxas awoke his ability to dual-wield through his will to not forget Xion, who also wielded a Keyblade.

 

• Roxas, the “Sora + Ventus” Nobody, was able to use a Keyblade. In contrast, Xemnas, the “Terra + Master Xehanort” Nobody, wasn’t able to use a Keyblade. Why is this?

I’d rather that point remain a mystery. It’s possible that he intentionally wasn’t using one.

@Kaweebo

 

I completely agree on you with that one, that makes sense!

@hatok 

 

I don't understand what you mean by how Xemnas looks like Terra nor how Ansem looks like Xehanort...

 

Why would their be special exceptions? If the games have shown us directly how a nobody looked different from its owner just like Sora and Ventus were, wouldn't this mean that Kairi and Xehanorth have both accepted people that were expulsed from their boddies as well? There must be a logical link in all of this, especially after the presentation in KHBBS. 

xemnas is based on Terra's heart, Ansem is based on Xehanort's heart. They're exceptions because they're Nobodies with someone else's heart in them, which causes the body to take on a new shape. Under normal circumstances Sora and Xehanort's Nobodies would look exactly like them, it's only the extra heart meddling

 

 

This^^^ and here's Nomuras words:

1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?
Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’s heart. 



As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora 
and Ventus’s hearts are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of
 Sora, was affected by that link and looks just like Ventus.

 When Sora was born into the world, he linked with Ventus and filled in his 
fractured heart. Many years later, when Ventus was on the verge of
 disappearing after his fight with Vanitas, Sora took him into his own
 heart.
2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?
Because he had gotten too close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.



 Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the
 fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Chamber of Waking. Both
 Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’s “real selves”, and when he felt 
their presence it made him faint.
3: Is it possible that Roxas has a heart?
It is thought that it could be Ventus’s heart.



 In KHIIFM there were clues to him having a heart, and in Days we saw
 Roxas crying–proof that he could have a heart. As was said in Q1, he 
has taken a lot of himself from Ventus. But perhaps when Sora and Roxas
 were separated, Ventus’s heart stayed in Roxas?
4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?
Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’s Keyblades.



 Sora can wield two Keyblades at once because he has Ventus’s as well as
 his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days, Roxas
 awakened his ability to dual-wield after fighting Xion. In KHII, once
 Sora absorbed Roxas, he could also dual-wield. Roxas awoke his ability to dual-wield through his will to not forget Xion, who also wielded a Keyblade.

• [*]

Roxas, the “Sora + Ventus” Nobody, was able to use a Keyblade. In contrast, Xemnas, the “Terra + Master Xehanort” Nobody, wasn’t able to use a Keyblade. Why is this?

I’d rather that point remain a mystery. It’s possible that he intentionally wasn’t using one.

All of these answers also make sense. However, my point is to say that, from the perspective of the people who lived with Roxas, they AREN'T aware of the incident that happened with Ventus. My theory is that, while Ventus was "Roxas", he was accidently confounded confounded for a nobody due to what the people in his life were aware of! They weren't aware of Ventus being in Sora's body and his release of the sort!

 

xemnas is based on Terra's heart, Ansem is based on Xehanort's heart. They're exceptions because they're Nobodies with someone else's heart in them, which causes the body to take on a new shape. Under normal circumstances Sora and Xehanort's Nobodies would look exactly like them, it's only the extra heart meddling

@hatok

But this is where exactly is doesn't make sense! Those "special cirmustances" are generated by the believes of the characters who didn't live in Ventus' time!

There must be a logical order to how someone's heart is released and to how a nobody is created!

 

I have recently sent to "TheGamersJoint" a message offering this theory, and here it is :

 

Hey Cynic, 

 

I've been watching your videos for just a few days ever since KHIII's trailer came out, and you actually caught my attention with how dedicated you are to share information about the franchise. 

 

For a while, I've been thinking of something that maybe not many of thought of it this way, but hear me out. I believe that calling Roxas as Sora's nobody is a grave mistake, and this could mean many things for the future of the franchise. 

 

To start things off, I have watched your video concerning the famous question "Why does Ventus look like Roxas?", as you clarified it with the events linked with KH1 and KHBBS. However, there is still a concern with, like you said in that video, saying that Roxas IS Sora's nobody. I believe it isn't the case.

 

Let's start with obvious basics of what has been thought to Sora : When someone gives in their heart to the world, a heartless and nobody is born from that person. An example of this is Xehanorth with Ansem and Xemnas. But let's notice something : they have nothing in common in physical appearances. We can say the same for Naminé and Kairi ; originally thought to be linked. But, it's interesting ever since KHDDD where, at the end of the game, most of Organization XIII members, after awaking from their slumber and being "restored" to people, they look the same? This nobody theory seems controversial to me. 

 

From KHBBS' information, it has been shown that Ventus has been accepted in Sora's heart to dorm in while his body sleeps after his battle against Vanitas. Like in your video where you talk about this topic, I believe it is correct to say that Ventus was released in KH1 where Sora "sacrifices" himself for everyone he held in his own heart. However, this is the key part to understand WHO we see as "Roxas" appears into Twilight Town for the first time.

 

He appears infront of Twilight Town's mansion, speechless. Shortly, Xemnas appears out of the blue to adress "Roxas". As he introduces him to his identity, I sincerely believe that Xemnas had Xehanorth's point of view over the situation. He saw this as a new chance to take this as a vessel of darkness. Let's call, "Roxas", Ventus, as I'm positive it is actually him. Ventus then gets renamed ROXAS, a code name for SORA. 

 

It is even further obvious to me that the boy we see is Ventus with vacant memories of his true past, because of the following reasons. 

 

1: Xion's creation. She was made out of memories purely, just like a heart is in the world of Kingdom Hearts. The distinction from both is that Xion was modelled from Sora while Ventus had a share of his own core with Sora's, which permitted him to even exist again. 

2: The controversial point I stated earlier in KHDDD, where Organization XIII reborns as their identical selves physically, is noticeable with Sora and Ventus : Ventus returns to Sora without Sora changing. 

3: It has been mentionned in multiple games (KH2, KH358/2 Days for example) that it's surprising to see a Keyblade wielder as a Nobody. If no other Nobody has ever been able to wield a keyblade, shouldn't this be a notice that Ventus isn't a representation of a true Nobody? Doesn't a Keyblade choose a master to reflects a sense of purity inside of themselves, like Sora shows in KH1 VS Riku? 

4: If Nobodies truly cannot feel, why is it that Ventus could feel remorse for the people he loses, like Xion? 

5: Isn't  a coincidence that Ventus starts again a life exactly the way he was found by Xehanorth in KHBBS, how he had NO clue of who he even was? 

 

These things have been connecting in my mind for a long time. Make this into a video of what you think. Because, the point of all of this, is : 

 

If it only was Ventus, we have not truly seen who Sora's nobody is. If this is correct, KH3 might reveal the true secret behind the creation of nobodies.

 

na thats not how that works.

 

na thats not how that works.

Then how does it?

 

 

This is why I say Roxas and Ventus will 'merge' to become one whole being once Sora returns Ven's heart to him. He'll be Ventus, but with the memories of Roxas. He'll be both Roxas and Ventus, the 'little brother' of Terra and Aqua, the former apprentice of Master Xehanort, but also the best friend of Axel and the other half of Sora. He will have personal ties with almost every character in the series in some capacity, even moreso than Sora. This would make him, essentially, a whole being, as if Roxas were just Ventus with amnesia.

 

Not to mention, but it'd also make Ventus much more bearable. I like his character in BBS, but he was very much a 'kid', even moreso than Sora. But Roxas is much more mature and adult. I think this would be a great way to expand both characters though I know a lot of people may disagree with me.

 

He is Sora's Nobody, don't get me wrong, but he possesses Ventus' heart and this also, in a way, makes him Ventus' Nobody. The difference being that Sora kept who he was despite Roxas' creation, but the spirit of Ventus (that is to say, his physical form) lived on through Sora's body.

Although I agree with your new theory, I still don't think he is his nobody. Just like Kairi, for instance, her heart was released to her in KH1 and this should be considered the same with Ventus, his heart was released and invoked with a new body with no memories of his true past.

@hatok 

 

I don't understand what you mean by how Xemnas looks like Terra nor how Ansem looks like Xehanort...

 

Why would their be special exceptions? If the games have shown us directly how a nobody looked different from its owner just like Sora and Ventus were, wouldn't this mean that Kairi and Xehanorth have both accepted people that were expulsed from their boddies as well? There must be a logical link in all of this, especially after the presentation in KHBBS. 

 

 

1- The heart shapes the vessel. Meaning since Roxas lacked Sora's heart but had Ven's heart inside him he looked like Ven 

 

2-When Sora had Kairi inside him his heart was there so it didn't change his appearance.

 

3-.When MX took over Terra's body and MERGED with Terras heart the result was AX who looked like Terra with MX features.The heart shapes the vessel.

 

4. When Roxas was born Ven's heart was dormant and he didn't have ANY of Ven's memories or experiences. The heart was dormant, inactive, and asleep. It wasn't until Xion's death that it began to awaken and Roxas could then summon Ven's keyblade too 

 

 

All of these answers also make sense. However, my point is to say that, from the perspective of the people who lived with Roxas, they AREN'T aware of the incident that happened with Ventus. My theory is that, while Ventus was "Roxas", he was accidently confounded confounded for a nobody due to what the people in his life were aware of! They weren't aware of Ventus being in Sora's body and his release of the sort!

 

These answers are canon. There is no need for a theory when there is a factual answer. Period

Then how does it?

 

 

1- The heart shapes the vessel. Meaning since Roxas lacked Sora's heart but had Ven's heart inside him he looked like Ven 

 

2-When Sora had Kairi inside him his heart was there so it didn't change his appearance.

 

3-.When MX took over Terra's body and MERGED with Terras heart the result was AX who looked like Terra with MX features.The heart shapes the vessel.

 

4. When Roxas was born Ven's heart was dormant and he didn't have ANY of Ven's memories or experiences. The heart was dormant, inactive, and asleep. It wasn't until Xion's death that it began to awaken and Roxas could then summon Ven's keyblade too 

 

 

 

These answers are canon. There is no need for a theory when there is a factual answer. Period

this^

 Although I agree with your new theory, I still don't think he is his nobody. Just like Kairi, for instance, her heart was released to her in KH1 and this should be considered the same with Ventus, his heart was released and invoked with a new body with no memories of his true past.

 

Ven's heart wasn't released..It stayed in Sora's PHYSICAL BODY AKA ROXAS. . Roxas is Sora's nobody CANON FACT

 

1- The heart shapes the vessel. Meaning since Roxas lacked Sora's heart but had Ven's heart inside him he looked like Ven

 

2-When Sora had Kairi inside him his heart was there so it didn't change his appearance.

 

3-.When MX took over Terra's body and MERGED with Terras heart the result was AX who looked like Terra with MX features.The heart shapes the vessel.

 

4. When Roxas was born Ven's heart was dormant and he didn't have ANY of Ven's memories or experiences. The heart was dormant, inactive, and asleep. It wasn't until Xion's death that it began to awaken and Roxas could then summon Ven's keyblade too

 

 

 

These answers are canon. There is no need for a theory when there is a factual answer. Period

But the answers that Nomura gave didn't state anything about Roxas being a nobody or not? He answered towards how Roxas was able to act the way he did. There is still the missing logical link about how some nobodies look different from others! And I seriously cannot believe that Ansem and Xemnas come from either Xehanort or Terra's appearances as they look nothing alike.

 

 

Ven's heart wasn't released..It stayed in Sora's PHYSICAL BODY AKA ROXAS. . Roxas is Sora's nobody CANON FACT

How can we explain that Ventus' heart wasn't released after the incident of KH1?

But the answers that Nomura gave didn't state anything about Roxas being a nobody or not? He answered towards how Roxas was able to act the way he did. There is still the missing logical link about how some nobodies look different from others! And I seriously cannot believe that Ansem and Xemnas come from either Xehanort or Terra's appearances as they look nothing alike. 

 

How can we explain that Ventus' heart wasn't released after the incident of KH1? 

 Nomura was directly talking about Roxas AS Sora's nobody. Read it again. It's why Roxas shares his keyblade with Sora:

 

VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that's the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora's Keyblade? Within the Organization I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated?

The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet.

Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice.

 

Ansem and Xemnas LOOK EXACTLY ALIKE. It is canon FACT that Xemnas and Ansem are AX/Terranorts Nobody and heartless and share traits from both.

 

As for why Ven's heart wasn't released - it was bc it was asleep, damaged, and dormant unlike Kairi's who was fine and returned to her body..Ven's heart took refuge in Sora and simply wasn't ready to return yet 

1- The heart shapes the vessel. Meaning since Roxas lacked Sora's heart but had Ven's heart inside him he looked like Ven 

 

2-When Sora had Kairi inside him his heart was there so it didn't change his appearance.

 

3-.When MX took over Terra's body and MERGED with Terras heart the result was AX who looked like Terra with MX features.The heart shapes the vessel.

 

4. When Roxas was born Ven's heart was dormant and he didn't have ANY of Ven's memories or experiences. The heart was dormant, inactive, and asleep. It wasn't until Xion's death that it began to awaken and Roxas could then summon Ven's keyblade too 

 

 

 

These answers are canon. There is no need for a theory when there is a factual answer. Period

Also, for your first point, how come Roxas just HAS Ventus' image? Was it a luck based event that happened? There must be something that forced Roxas to have Ventus' image, which must mean Ventus HAS been released. 

Ventus is still asleep in Castle Oblivion ..

Also, for your first point, how come Roxas just HAS Ventus' image? Was it a luck based event that happened? There must be something that forced Roxas to have Ventus' image, which must mean Ventus HAS been released. 

 

I already explained this : Roxas has Ven's image bc Sora's heart is gone and Ven's is the only one there even if dormant.Ven's heart NEVER left Sora's PHYSICAL BODY which is ROXAS. Simple. 

 

Also as for AX/Terranort :

 

: Who is Apprentice Xehanort really?

Master Xehanort commandeering Terra’s body



. Master Xehanort wishes to bring back the Keyblade War and see what 
happens afterward with his own eyes, but once he found a way to
 accomplish this he was already an old man with only a few years left to 
him. Wishing to become young again, he finds Terra, and defeats him
 with darkness so he can take his body. That is the Xehanort that Ansem 
the Wise picks up, and makes his number one apprentice.

9: Where did the Organization’s coat and mark come from?

Xemnas remembering his human years. 



One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as the five other apprentices toss
 aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the
 Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as
 a human. But as Xemnas had two people whom he came from, Terra and Master
 Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories. The coat used by the Organization was something that Master Xehanort originally wore. The Nobody mark used by the Organization is a similar shape to the mark Terra used. Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master Xehanort’s interest in the χ-Blade.

 Nomura was directly talking about Roxas AS Sora's nobody. Read it again. It's why Roxas shares his keyblade with Sora:

 

VII - In KH, at the same time Sora became a Heartless Roxas was born and entered the Organization. So if that's the case, at that point in time at Castle Oblivion Sora used a Keyblade while at the same time Roxas would have been using a Keyblade. Was this Sora's Keyblade? Within the Organization I think we particularly saw Roxas using a Keyblade. And similar to Roxas, Sora served as another Keyblade Master conveniently gathering hearts. So why was the Organization defeated?

The Keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the Keyblade at the same time. This is can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two Keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet.

Furthermore, from the time that the two were both using the Keyblade at the same time, the Organization itself was using Sora for their ultimate goal. Soon enough, each of the Organization's expectations differed. By changing Sora and Roxas's movements, eventually they became unable to use Sora for their true meaning. As a result, Sora became an obstacle to the movements of the Organization itself and he had to be defeated. But even if Sora were to be defeated, you could say there are other things to think about in making that sacrifice.

 

Ansem and Xemnas LOOK EXACTLY ALIKE. It is canon FACT that Xemnas and Ansem are AX/Terranorts Nobody and heartless and share traits from both.

 

As for why Ven's heart wasn't released - it was bc it was asleep, damaged, and dormant unlike Kairi's who was fine and returned to her body..Ven's heart took refuge in Sora and simply wasn't ready to return yet 

 

What you post from Nomura's words is his explanations towards how Sora and Roxas are connected. For Ventus, there is a difference between a heart and a body. His body WAS the thing that was damaged. Ventus' heart was released from his own body after the fight against Vanitas, where he decided to reside somewhere else in for protection. His heart is clearly still able to act on it's own will. In KH1, once Sora has released himself with the magic of Riku's (heartless form) keyblade, the chemistry that happened is like you said : Ventus took a new body, Sora's, but still kept his original image. It is possible that when a chemistry like this happens, the result becomes a new kind of person. Look at Namine, she's nothing like Kairi.

What you post from Nomura's words is his explanations towards how Sora and Roxas are connected. For Ventus, there is a difference between a heart and a body. His body WAS the thing that was damaged. Ventus' heart was released from his own body after the fight against Vanitas, where he decided to reside somewhere else in for protection. His heart is clearly still able to act on it's own will. In KH1, once Sora has released himself with the magic of Riku's (heartless form) keyblade, the chemistry that happened is like you said : Ventus took a new body, Sora's, but still kept his original image. It is possible that when a chemistry like this happens, the result becomes a new kind of person. Look at Namine, she's nothing like Kairi.

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What you post from Nomura's words is his explanations towards how Sora and Roxas are connected. For Ventus, there is a difference between a heart and a body. His body WAS the thing that was damaged. Ventus' heart was released from his own body after the fight against Vanitas, where he decided to reside somewhere else in for protection. His heart is clearly still able to act on it's own will. In KH1, once Sora has released himself with the magic of Riku's (heartless form) keyblade, the chemistry that happened is like you said : Ventus took a new body, Sora's, but still kept his original image. It is possible that when a chemistry like this happens, the result becomes a new kind of person. Look at Namine, she's nothing like Kairi.

 

 

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WHAT THE FLIP HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING. in the beginning of bbs:

he CLEARLY says his heart is damaged

Edited June 22, 201510 yr by Keyblade master26

I already explained this : Roxas has Ven's image bc Sora's heart is gone and Ven's is the only one there even if dormant.Ven's heart NEVER left Sora's PHYSICAL BODY which is ROXAS. Simple. 

 

Also as for AX/Terranort :

 

: Who is Apprentice Xehanort really?

Master Xehanort commandeering Terra’s body



. Master Xehanort wishes to bring back the Keyblade War and see what 
happens afterward with his own eyes, but once he found a way to
 accomplish this he was already an old man with only a few years left to 
him. Wishing to become young again, he finds Terra, and defeats him
 with darkness so he can take his body. That is the Xehanort that Ansem 
the Wise picks up, and makes his number one apprentice.

9: Where did the Organization’s coat and mark come from?

Xemnas remembering his human years. 



One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as the five other apprentices toss
 aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the
 Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as
 a human. But as Xemnas had two people whom he came from, Terra and Master
 Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories. The coat used by the Organization was something that Master Xehanort originally wore. The Nobody mark used by the Organization is a similar shape to the mark Terra used. Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master Xehanort’s interest in the χ-Blade.

Yes, the Apprentice Xehanort is the direct result of Xehanort merging into Terra, that's correct. However, if we wants to state that Ansem and Xemnas look the same (although I can agree that they share some of Terra's traits) , there's still controversial details behind all of this like I mentionned orignally :

 

2: The controversial point I stated earlier in KHDDD, where Organization XIII reborns as their identical selves physically, is noticeable with Sora and Ventus : Ventus returns to Sora without Sora changing.

 

Or you know, vice-versa.

Yes, the Apprentice Xehanort is the direct result of Xehanort merging into Terra, that's correct. However, if we wants to state that Ansem and Xemnas look the same (although I can agree that they share some of Terra's traits) , there's still controversial details behind all of this like I mentionned orignally :

 

2: The controversial point I stated earlier in KHDDD, where Organization XIII reborns as their identical selves physically, is noticeable with Sora and Ventus : Ventus returns to Sora without Sora changing.

 

Or you know, vice-versa.

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WHAT THE FLIP HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING. in the beginning of bbs:

he CLEARLY says his heart is damaged

That is not the correct time that I'm mentionning. I am speaking of the end of BBS, AFTER the fight against Vanitas. This is not at all the time of Ventus' life that I'm speaking of. The only link you can make with this is with my coicidental remark I have made in my original post, point 5. 

 

Ventus' body WAS damaged after that fight, not the heart.