FF8 started the slow downhill of the Final Fantasy series

[Dio Brando 5,810]

And no,I'm not influenced by Spoony to say that,despite that I agree with him about everything he said about FF8

 

It was Final Fantasy VIII that started the slow downgrade in quality for the Final Fantasy series

 

Yeah IX got better but I can't say that FF10 is as good as 9 or FF games from 1 to 7 but I'll say it's better than 8

 

The story of FF8 has plot holes up the ass to the point I think it was the inspiration for Sonic 06's story

 

The characters are boring and their personality is so paper thin that it can be described in one sentenceword for each one.

 

Example:

 

Squall: An emo with not much clear explaination for his past.

 

Rinoa:A whore who used to sleep with Seifer and most of her dialogue is trying to impress Squall.

 

Seifer:A butthurt soldier got recruited by The Sorceress just when she said "You're just a boy",seriously that was all it took to make Seifer betray SeeD.

 

Zell:Dumbass for the sake of being a dumbass

 

Selphie: The dumb kawaii dessoni girl

 

Quistis:The stupid sexy teacher.

 

Ultimecia:I wanna compress time because...........................BECAUSE!!!!!

 

 

 

 

As for the gameplay,this was the start of adding stupid additions that doesn't add much to the gameplay.

 

The Junction system has to be the most boring customization system I EVER used in an RPG

 

On top of unskippable tutorials,You spend so much time on this Junctioning system just to complicatedly get some abilities that you could've got normally without spending too much time than nessessary on the menu....and don't get me started on drawing magic from enemies......Instead of having an MP like every RPG in existence...you have to draw magic like crazy just to max out your spells and when you run out of magic...you go draw more again....I know there is a much easier way but even with that you still need to draw magic

 

At was with FF8 that we've been flooded with poorly done customization system in later games in the series(I can't stand the Gambit system from 12...and the crystarium in XIII is just a scripted progression)

 

I don't mind adding something new as long as it's being done properly,and I don't mind change as long as this change makes sense and add more to the gameplay than hindering it.

 

I swear for the past 6 years I've been enjoying other RPGs more than FF games since FF12

 

Heck,the Mario & Luigi RPG series and even Gen 4 of Pokemon has been better than any FF game since 2006 until even now

 

And speaking of FF12....Just play Xenoblade Chronicles,it's basically what FF12 should've been from the beginning

 

I can go on and on about 12 but let's sums it up with this:

 

the downhill of the Final Fantasy franchise has started WAAAAAAY before XIII and Toriyama,the series wasn't that godly perfect series that you guys always thought it is prior to XIII.

 

 

I hope that Final Fantasy XV would be the ultimate Final Fantasy game that brings the series back to it's former glory

 

 

[Shulk 8,623]

I honestly think the first 6 were the best, and the Playstation era's when it slowed down... With the exception of IX X, and Crisis Core (I need to play XIII-2 soon, too, so I guess not that either), I didn't find the main-series PS games nearly as enjoyable as the first 6. And no, it has nothing to do with the systems they're on.

[The Protagonist 332]

I thought FF8 was good....that said I've never actually played a FF game.(Crisis core was pretty good imo)I'm still waiting for one on the 3ds.I've heard it alot how the FF series has been going down since around 9/10.I guess I see why but wasn't the FF series exceptionally good?I don't think its really possible for each time to live up to everyone's expectations.

Edited August 13, 2013 by Keyblade Master101

[Shard the Gentleman 2,891]

Never played VIII, but I liked IX a LOT more than I did VII. VII is not as well paced as IX, imo. Also, the addition of actually FUN mini-games was good. I did not like any of the mini-games in ff7, but I LOVED Tetra Master. The story of IX was great, without shoving "HEY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SAD" in your face. The subtlety in the dialogue is one thing that helped IX a LOT. VII was not so subtle, but just out right said everything. Don't get me wrong, I loved VII, but not as much as IX. VI was great, X was okay, some improvements need to be made, XI, and XII were terrible, XIII was an improvement, XIII-2 was even better. I'd say its picking up fine.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Never played VIII, but I liked IX a LOT more than I did VII. VII is not as well paced as IX, imo. Also, the addition of actually FUN mini-games was good. I did not like any of the mini-games in ff7, but I LOVED Tetra Master. The story of IX was great, without shoving "HEY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SAD" in your face. The subtlety in the dialogue is one thing that helped IX a LOT. VII was not so subtle, but just out right said everything. Don't get me wrong, I loved VII, but not as much as IX. VI was great, X was okay, some improvements need to be made, XI, and XII were terrible, XIII was an improvement, XIII-2 was even better. I'd say its picking up fine.

XIII-2 was really good

 

I know someone will kill me for this,but XIII-2 was the best FF game of this console gen since Crisis Core FFVII

 

 

And before anyone says Dissidia,that is a fighting game with RPG elements,just because it has the FF name doesn't mean it's an RPG

Edited August 13, 2013 by Metal Snake

[MyDixieRect 2,061]

You can make any character ever sound boring and paper thin when you describe them in what barely qualifies as a sentence, especially when some of those descriptions use internet slang or gratuitous japanese.

[Dave 5,715]

While VIII isn't my favorite of the series, I disagree with the assessment of Squall and Seifer. Squall isn't really emo so much as he is just really grumpy. An emo would be lamenting all the time, or feeling sorry for himself, or, well, showing some kind of emotion. Squall just happens to be extremely anti-social and introverted, and this is elevated by the fact that he finds himself constantly surrounded by lively, loud people. Everyone is always up in his grill, and in response, he retreats even further into his shell. Mainly because he doesn't know how to handle people: he grew up relatively alone (to his knowledge), and when the one person who he liked was taken for him, he interpreted it to mean that there was no point in experiencing love, because it just gets taken away from you. In many ways, he suffers the same motivation as Kefka: neither of them see the point of humanity, and why bother building when everything must be destroyed? But while Kefka is successful in embracing the hate, Squall is never completely able to crush his feelings all together, though he comes close: trying to emmerse himself with battle and soldering in a constant cycle of destruction probably helps solidify his low opinions of making. But deep down, he still wants to be loved and be part of the world. Because he knows that there is, in fact, more to life than just pain, but it takes interaction with others to finally bring those thoughts to the surface. 

 

As for Seifer, it's not so much that the Sorceress calls him a little boy that drives him over the edge. Seifer grew up watching stories about heroes and icons, and desperately wants to be one himself. He wants to be the hero of this game, because, if you'll pardon the obvious joke, he wants the eyes on him. He wants the attention, he wants the crowd, and he wants to be loved and adored by the masses. Of course, in wanting all this so bad, it leads him to do drastic things: his leadership skills are driven mostly for personal glory, rather than tactical skill, and he tends to be something of a jerk. His own acidic personality, of course, tends to decrease the amount of love he receives, which drives him to become more and more angry with his position in SeeD. He believes he's the best thing around, but no one is treating him like he is, and thus he feels unappreciated, which increasingly eats at him. It's why he's so jealous of Squall: he can't understand why Squall is getting everything that Seifer himself wants. Thus, when the Sorceress appears to him and offers him a position of power, Seifer bites at the bait, because she's at least offering him what he wants. He's going to have prestige, he's going to be in the spotlight, and most important of all, he's going to be "her knight." She basically helps deliver on Siefer's childhood fantasy, and because he's so corrupted at this point, he doesn't even think about the possible negative repercussions of his decisions.

[Sora96 17,256]

I'm sick of people saying the Final Fantasy series has gone down hill. The series still gets great scores from all the major reviewers. They still sell tons of copies. Just because a few people don't like change doesn't mean a series has gone down hill. 

[Jim 2,990]

XIII-2 was really good I know someone will kill me for this,but XIII-2 was the best FF game of this console gen since Crisis Core FFVII  And before anyone says Dissidia,that is a fighting game with RPG elements,just because it has the FF name doesn't mean it's an RPG

YES. I went into this game expecting a mediocre game with a dumb storyline and dumb characters. But, I thought it was great, with likable characters, and I enjoyed the storyline once I got past the premise! Plus, I thought Caius was a great villain. Easily ten times better than Ultimecia. "To be continued" might have been cheap, but otherwise I enjoyed the game a lot! (Except for the jpop music, that was stupid)

[_The Door To Light_ 1,507]

Of course you'd think that the characters are bad if you use descriptions like this.

I really wish FF XII didn't get so much hate. Why are you comparing it to Xenoblade?

 

Really, I don't think VIII started a downfall when so many people loved IX and X. And VIII in it's self has many fans.

[RoxSox 3,593]

I don't understand the logic behind people saying that Final Fantasy as a whole has gotten worse.

 

You can't say "The games after this game sucked. Except for those two games that didn't suck that bad. And that other one that was okay. But those last two blow!"

 

Let's see the track record here:

 

VI - People adore it.

VII - People adore it.

VIII - A great deal enjoy it, but others dislike it.

IX  - A lot of people dislike it for some reason, but people generally agree it's underrated.

X- This is where it splits down the middle. People half love and hate this one. Some say that it's fantastic, some say that it's the beginning of the end.

XI - I honestly have never heard a word in favor of this game, nor have I ever heard of someone trashing it. It's a multiplayer game, so I don't think many people played it and/or care about it. So...

XII - A lot of people trash this one. They say the gameplay was horrible or the story wasn't great, and I don't agree. The story was okay, at least it was for as long as I played it. I got stuck at a part, and just lost interest. But honestly, I don't see why this one gets trashed so damn hard.

XIII - The game that people effing hate. They either say that the story sucks (even though the story is just as rich in detail and depth as any other story in the series), or that the gameplay is horrible (I personally agree.) But it has gotten a few sequels, which people think is kind of unfair. I don't like this game much either, people.

 

So, all of those on top of the original five games, which I never hear a word against (except III. I see people shit on III now and then.), makes... let's tally it up now.

 

Out of those 8 games, two are pretty universally loved, three are equal parts loved and hated, one is never talked about, and two are pretty much shat upon.

 

I think we all need a reminder of how Final Fantasy games work: They are all stand alone games. They don't share a universe, no. They all have an independent story, and independent characters. Square is not always going to come up with a flawless story. Some people are going to like it, others will hate it, and that is a constant.

 

Just because there last two ventures into mythology havn't been anybody's cup of tea, IS NOT AN INDICATION THAT THE SERIES IS FOREVER DONE FOR. IT MEANS THAT THE LAST TWO GAMES IN THE SERIES WEREN'T AS GOOD.

 

And one other reminder... Final Fantasy XV? People look at that trailer, and they lose their shit in excitement. If XV turns out good, then are you still gonna stick to the guns that "the series isn't as good as it used to be"? You probably will. But that doesn't mean it's a correct thought.

 

The series hasn't decreased in quality. The games are still made to a very high standard. Even if the story isn't your cup of tea, it's still a hell of an in depth story. Even if the gameplay isn't your thing, at least they're trying something new. But the graphics are still at the head of the pack, the soundtrack is still excellent, and the actual writing isn't really that bad. They just weren't that great, ultimately, but it doesn't mean the series is done for.

 

The only downhill of the Final Fantasy series is the one you create in your mind because you didn't like the last couple of games.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Of course you'd think that the characters are bad if you use descriptions like this.

I really wish FF XII didn't get so much hate. Why are you comparing it to Xenoblade?

 

Really, I don't think VIII started a downfall when so many people loved IX and X. And VIII in it's self has many fans.

I could've described them better but I didn't wanna rant more than I did with my previous FF8 rant

 

Besides,those are the impressions that those guys had on me.

 

They lack any kind of interesting personalities that previous FF heroes(except Cloud) used to have.

 

Seriously,can you compare twats like Squall to someone like Cecil Harvey from FF4???

 

As for why did I compared 12 to Xenoblade??

 

Because Xenoblade is FF12 done right.

 

The battle system of Xenoblade is similar to 12 but it's more simplistic and fun to play with,especially when the AI of my team is competent without needing to set dozens of Gambit managements to make my dumbass party in 12 do what I want them to do

Edited August 14, 2013 by Metal Snake

[Sora96 17,256]

I could've described them better but I didn't wanna rant more than I did with my previous FF8 rant

 

Besides,those are the impressions that those guys had on me.

 

They lack any kind of interesting personalities that previous FF heroes(except Cloud) used to have.

 

Seriously,can you compare twats like Squall to someone like Cecil Harvey from FF4???

 

As for why did I compared 12 to Xenoblade??

 

Because Xenoblade is FF12 done right.

 

The battle system of Xenoblade is similar to 12 but it's more simplistic and fun to play with,especially when the AI of my team is competent without needing to set dozens of Gambit managements to make my dumbass party in 12 do what I want them to do

 

I don't like XII either, but it got a perfect score from Famitsu. Nuff said.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I don't understand the logic behind people saying that Final Fantasy as a whole has gotten worse.

 

You can't say "The games after this game sucked. Except for those two games that didn't suck that bad. And that other one that was okay. But those last two blow!"

 

Let's see the track record here:

 

VI - People adore it.

VII - People adore it.

VIII - A great deal enjoy it, but others dislike it.

IX  - A lot of people dislike it for some reason, but people generally agree it's underrated.

X- This is where it splits down the middle. People half love and hate this one. Some say that it's fantastic, some say that it's the beginning of the end.

XI - I honestly have never heard a word in favor of this game, nor have I ever heard of someone trashing it. It's a multiplayer game, so I don't think many people played it and/or care about it. So...

XII - A lot of people trash this one. They say the gameplay was horrible or the story wasn't great, and I don't agree. The story was okay, at least it was for as long as I played it. I got stuck at a part, and just lost interest. But honestly, I don't see why this one gets trashed so damn hard.

XIII - The game that people effing hate. They either say that the story sucks (even though the story is just as rich in detail and depth as any other story in the series), or that the gameplay is horrible (I personally agree.) But it has gotten a few sequels, which people think is kind of unfair. I don't like this game much either, people.

 

So, all of those on top of the original five games, which I never hear a word against (except III. I see people shit on III now and then.), makes... let's tally it up now.

 

Out of those 8 games, two are pretty universally loved, three are equal parts loved and hated, one is never talked about, and two are pretty much shat upon.

 

I think we all need a reminder of how Final Fantasy games work: They are all stand alone games. They don't share a universe, no. They all have an independent story, and independent characters. Square is not always going to come up with a flawless story. Some people are going to like it, others will hate it, and that is a constant.

 

Just because there last two ventures into mythology havn't been anybody's cup of tea, IS NOT AN INDICATION THAT THE SERIES IS FOREVER DONE FOR. IT MEANS THAT THE LAST TWO GAMES IN THE SERIES WEREN'T AS GOOD.

 

And one other reminder... Final Fantasy XV? People look at that trailer, and they lose their shit in excitement. If XV turns out good, then are you still gonna stick to the guns that "the series isn't as good as it used to be"? You probably will. But that doesn't mean it's a correct thought.

 

The series hasn't decreased in quality. The games are still made to a very high standard. Even if the story isn't your cup of tea, it's still a hell of an in depth story. Even if the gameplay isn't your thing, at least they're trying something new. But the graphics are still at the head of the pack, the soundtrack is still excellent, and the actual writing isn't really that bad. They just weren't that great, ultimately, but it doesn't mean the series is done for.

 

The only downhill of the Final Fantasy series is the one you create in your mind because you didn't like the last couple of games.

Dude I already know that every FF game has it's own continuity,I didn't born yesterday

 

And when and where did I say that Final Fantasy is done for????

 

I never said that,I just said they don't have much quality as they used to have during their high days.

 

Most of recent FF games are all about fancy cinematics and cutscenes more than trying to be a video game

 

I don't mind something new as long as this new feature is good

I don't like XII either, but it got a perfect score from Famitsu. Nuff said.

Famitsu throw perfect scores all over the place

 

and Dengeki is worse,sometimes they give some games above the perfect score even though that supposed "perfect game" has some apparent flaws that they ignored

[Isaix 924]

FFVIII was weird and complicated and had the worst boss battle I've even seen in an RPG(Sorceress Adel),but I liked it a lot.Once you understand the jonction system and all that stuff,the game is actually not that complicated and its very easy to understand and to remember and the battle system its pretty good,its challenging and its very satisfiying to beat a hard boss in this game.The characters are very forgettable for the most part,but I though Squall,Rinoa,Laguna and Seifer were interesting,but the story was weird and confusing though,its definitly not one of the best FF stories,but its not that bad.

 

I'd say that FF went downhill at FF11,that's where they completly lost me and I still believe that they should all have been spin-offs titles like Tactics or crystal chronicles or whatever.Or even something else like crono trigger or Secret of Mana(Which is an RPG made by Square with Moogles,but doesn't have the Final Fantasy name)

[RoxSox 3,593]

Dude I already know that every FF game has it's own continuity,I didn't born yesterday

 

And when and where did I say that Final Fantasy is done for????

 

I never said that,I just said they don't have much quality as they used to have during their high days.

 

Most of recent FF games are all about fancy cinematics and cutscenes more than trying to be a video game

 

I don't mind something new as long as this new feature is good

What I said wasn't directed exclusively to you, it was a general statement. Just what goes through my mind whenever someone says that the series has declined. The series HASN'T declined, it's only had two games that have been generally shat upon in recent years, and apparently that's an indication that the series will never be the same. I'm just pointing out that sometimes, series miss their mark, and then they come right back on top. Also pointing out the hypocrisy fans display by saying that the series won't ever be the same, followed by losing their shit in excitement for the next installment every time.

[Sora96 17,256]

 

Famitsu throw perfect scores all over the place

 

and Dengeki is worse,sometimes they give some games above the perfect score even though that supposed "perfect game" has some apparent flaws that they ignored

 

Every major reviewer gave it a big score. 

 

But whatever. If you don't like the Final Fantasy series anymore, don't play it. It still sells great and gets great reviews and that's all that matters.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

What I said wasn't directed exclusively to you, it was a general statement. Just what goes through my mind whenever someone says that the series has declined. The series HASN'T declined, it's only had two games that have been generally shat upon in recent years, and apparently that's an indication that the series will never be the same. I'm just pointing out that sometimes, series miss their mark, and then they come right back on top. Also pointing out the hypocrisy fans display by saying that the series won't ever be the same, followed by losing their shit in excitement for the next installment every time.

Look,I'm not of those FF Fanbase psychos

 

I have my own standards and I'm willing to accept change as long as this change is good

 

Nothing should be the same otherwise we would've got 15 copies of FF 1

 

I liked XIII-2 and I'm seeing it as a step to the right direction for the franchise with the right amount of change 

[_The Door To Light_ 1,507]

I don't like XII either, but it got a perfect score from Famitsu. Nuff said.

It's also a "Greatest Hits" for the PS2.

 

I could've described them better but I didn't wanna rant more than I did with my previous FF8 rant

 

Besides,those are the impressions that those guys had on me.

 

They lack any kind of interesting personalities that previous FF heroes(except Cloud) used to have.

 

Seriously,can you compare twats like Squall to someone like Cecil Harvey from FF4???

 

As for why did I compared 12 to Xenoblade??

 

Because Xenoblade is FF12 done right.

 

The battle system of Xenoblade is similar to 12 but it's more simplistic and fun to play with,especially when the AI of my team is competent without needing to set dozens of Gambit managements to make my dumbass party in 12 do what I want them to do

 

Look, I still respect your opinion and all, but I don't think Squall isn't as much as a twat as Cloud (Not comparable to Cecil, of course, I agree with you there.). He isn't an 'emo'. Just extremely anti-social as Dave mentioned.

 

And I think FFXII and Xenoblade are both great games. But they should not be comparaed

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Every major reviewer gave it a big score. 

 

But whatever. If you don't like the Final Fantasy series anymore, don't play it. It still sells great and gets great reviews and that's all that matters.

Good God where did I say that I don't like the FF series anymore??Where are those assumptions come from???Oh wait this is the Final Fantasy Fanbase,I should never be surprised

 

I'm still playing FF games to this day,from old to new ones and I'm gonna buy Lightning Returns when it comes out

 

Speaking of sales,XIII-2 got much better scores than XIII and I loved 13-2 so much but the sales were lower than expected

Edited August 14, 2013 by Metal Snake

[Demyx. 10,064]

8 isn't even that bad. Plus it depends on opinion. I think 9 is way better than any of the older ones and that's right after 8. Plus 10 was better than a lot of the old ones.

[HikariYami 354]

XIII was amazing IMO. I decided to give FF another chance after X because I was not impressed with X. People like to say it was one of the best, but it is not my cup of tea. It was cool. I could stand Tidus but not Yuna. Yuna to me was really the opposite of who I am. I digress because I could analyze all day.

However, the older games from what I have seen were great. I have read the stories.

XIII is my type of game. People complain about the story being complicated I can't be much worse than KH.

[Rinax 473]

Geez, can't people just enjoy what they have and have fun? What if there was no Final Fantasy series? You would play other games, but that's not the point. But, hey, there wouldn't be anymore complaining!

I thought VIII was fun. Played a little bit of IX but my PlayStation is acting up.. X was fun as well. Ignored XI because lack of interest and the fact you have have to pay a monthly fee. I've played XII: Revenant Wings and I enjoyed it. Not finished XIII yet, but it's still great to play. I don't have the rest of the XIII games.

The best one? Type-0! Oh, yeah. Released only in Japan ( <_<) but I've watched the playthroughs and cutscenes. Such awesomeness and tears.

 

/Another rambling post brought to you by Rinax.

 

I don't think it's going downhill. Perhaps you have to look at the bright side.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Guys can you please read all of my posts before replying to me???

[RoxSox 3,593]

Good God where did I say that I don't like the FF series anymore??Where are those assumptions come from???

 

Maybe it's the title of the thread: "Started the slow downhill of the FF series"

Thinking it's gone downhill implies you don't like the series in its current state. Maybe you should read your OWN posts before questioning the responses you get.