Now, before you guys start pointing guns at me, hear me out: 

I feel that the Kingdom Hearts storyline is convolluted and cliché and i think that Sora is pretty much a mary sue, in a manner of speaking...

 

And in my opinion, i think the plot is too happy-go-lucky for my taste and doesn't take any risks like killing off a character that has a major effect on the story. 

 

This is just my opinion, and you're allowed to make your own statement about it.        

 

 

That's alright, you're entitled to your opinion. Thanks for sharing.

Now, before you guys start pointing guns at me, hear me out: 

I feel that the Kingdom Hearts storyline is convolluted and cliché and i think that Sora is pretty much a mary sue, in a manner of speaking...

 

And in my opinion, i think the plot is too happy-go-lucky for my taste and doesn't take any risks like killing off a character that has a major effect on the story. 

 

This is just my opinion, and you're allowed to make your own statement about it.        

I totally understand where you're coming from and it's fine that you think that way since I admit,the series didn't take risks by the fact that most if not all character that died were brought back to life....it's the same syndrome as DBZ where the death of a character  means absolutely nothing 

 

While I haven't fallen from the series I still have a couple of problems with it that led other games to surpass it in my eyes (like Xenoblade Chronicles for example)

 

And yes even I as a big fan admit that the series is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too convoluted for it's own good and the recent things from KH x like the nonsense about the whole Tome of Prophecy thing didn't make things better either

 

I hope that Nomura one day realizes he doesn't need to turn this series into a family-friendly version of Metal Gear...simple plots can be effective too.

 

Anyway,I'm totally with you here and I understand why you fell off the series

I fear i start be same, i mean while i played KH 1.5 remix i don't shared the same feelings i was hoping maybe it will be better with KH 2.5 remix but whatever happen i'll stay here for the community and you can of course do the same 

Edited November 2, 201410 yr by Caracool

Fair enough.

So does this mean you're not in the fandom anymore? And you're not gonna play KH3?

I think so too. But the love is eternal.

So does this mean you're not in the fandom anymore? And you're not gonna play KH3?

yes, and no....

 

While i may not be playing the games, i will be visiting this site to talk to friends and write fanfics/original stories

It's all good, man KH isn't for everyone, so thanks for being brave to admit it. The community here is still worth it to stick around

 

Peace!

You're entitled to your opinion and stuff.

Sort of agree with you. I've been a hardcore fan of the series since it came out, and I'll continue to be a fan, but as I've gotten older I realized how strange and awkwardly constructed the story is. It has an interesting story that's for sure, but I wouldn't call it good.

That's completely understandable. We all have a personal preference.

i do understand where your comming from. the story is VERY convaluted and confusing and it might be too happy go lucky for some. i personally like the incredibly complicated story and happy go lucky atmosphere, but i can easily see why others dont. and dont worry. i think most people here respet other people's opinions. i do. thx for sharing!

Im afraid, KH3 ending may take the word cliche to a whole new level.

If Roxas and Xion come back with their own bodys, nobody from the 7 lights "dies" and even Eraqus comes back to life. You didn't saw anything yet.

 

Sora seems like the typical shonen main character. I dont like things like making friends easily either. Example: Sora and Neku, Lea and Ventus. They barely know each other and 5 minutes later they are already friends.

 

I plan to be with this series until the end but like i always did, I will never waste my money buying every platform. I love this series, but im not rich.

Edited November 2, 201410 yr by Sakuraba Neku

I love Kingdom Hearts, but I will agree with you there. That's why I like the antagonists in this game more than I like the  good guys. Many of the protagonists are quite "happy go lucky" and don't project nearly as much depth and charisma as their opponents. I do like characters like Eraqus though, because his plight is very realistic- a man so obsessed with what is "traditionally acceptable" that it ended up destroying him in the end. I like Riku as well, because he's one of the few protagonist who actually grew persona;ity-wise during the series. Starting off as a no-nonsense (let's admit it....jerk) in the first game, and gradually maturing into the Riku we have today. Sora started off as a nice kid, and is still a nice kid, so not much character development there. 

Then get off the site.

 

I can't really argue with you on your points. Sora isn't exactly my favorite character, though he's not a horrible one either. And yeah, the concept of death doesn't really apply too much, and the story takes some time to really understand, especially nowadays.

 

Though you have to remember, you're playing a series that is essentially supposed to be targeted towards younger players, especially with Disney on board, so you kinda need to expect that going in.

I've really lost most of my interest around the time KH3 trailer was revealed, but KH still holds a special place in my heart, for the nostalgia and helping me find this site.

Then if I may ask, why are you still on this site? I'm not telling you to get out, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me for somebody to stay on a site if they aren't a fan anymore.

 

You're free to do what you want I mean, I'm just explaining what I don't understand about it. You can think what you want about it I guess, I just basically don't agree with, like, anything you said. But that's just how I feel about it. You're free to do whatever you want believing what you wish. So long as it doesn't offend anyone or ruins anybody's experience on this site, I don't see it as that much of a problem if you do stick around.

Edited November 2, 201410 yr by Hero of Light XIV

I actually agree on points.

There are somethings in KH I can't stand. Like why did we need Xion? I was disappointed that, to be quite frank, Days did not highlight Axel and Roxas friendship to the extent that I thought. She is truly a pointless character.

I believe that Disney made Nomura do things. I believe that Nomura disregards characters he doesn't care for.

Edited November 2, 201410 yr by HikariYami

I actually agree on points.

There are somethings in KH I can't stand. Like why did we need Xion? I was disappointed that, to be quite frank, Days did not highlight Axel and Roxas friendship to the extent that I thought. She is truly a pointless character.

I believe that Disney made Nomura do things. I believe that Nomura disregards characters he doesn't care for.

 

Xion's Purpose: To act as a potential romance blocker for Roxas and Axel

 

Kairi Purpose: Likewise.

 

The series could have gone along without  either of them, to be honest. And I agree with the 358/2 Days thing. I'm not an AkuRoku shipper, but I would love to have seen their friendship explored more....without the drama of a third wheel.

 

Please don't kill me Javelin.

Xion's Purpose: To act as a potential romance blocker for Roxas and Axel Kairi Purpose: Likewise. The series could have gone along without  either of them, to be honest. And I agree with the 358/2 Days thing. I'm not an AkuRoku shipper, but I would love to have seen their friendship explored more....without the drama of a third wheel.  Please don't kill me Javelin.

Exactly, I heard a rumor that Kairi was an input that Disney wanted not Nomura. So, I am not a shipper but it was a let down.

Yeah, convoluted plots go a long way in killing things off. But for me, I don't think it's lost any of the Disney magic that got me hooked in the first place, and gameplay is still as fun as ever. So really, I'll probably play it until the end of time.

I'm not as interested in it as I used to be. KHI and KHII will always be two of my favorite games of all time, but I feel like they lost the magic after that. They're still fun, but every game after CoM felt insanely easy to me (with the exception of DDD), and the series lost the strategy that made me love the first so much. The convoluted plot, insane retcons, and numerous pointless characters have also really bugged me. I'll still get KHIII when it's released, but I'm just not feeling it anymore.

 

 

I totally understand where you're coming from and it's fine that you think that way since I admit,the series didn't take risks by the fact that most if not all character that died were brought back to life....it's the same syndrome as DBZ where the death of a character  means absolutely nothing 

 

While I haven't fallen from the series I still have a couple of problems with it that led other games to surpass it in my eyes (like Xenoblade Chronicles for example)

 

And yes even I as a big fan admit that the series is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too convoluted for it's own good and the recent things from KH x like the nonsense about the whole Tome of Prophecy thing didn't make things better either

 

I hope that Nomura one day realizes he doesn't need to turn this series into a family-friendly version of Metal Gear...simple plots can be effective too.

 

Anyway,I'm totally with you here and I understand why you fell off the series

The way I see it, Xenoblade's the new big JRPG these days. I know it doesn't have the recognition that most others do, but I feel like it's a lot more interesting, and still has the same feel that a lot of the older JRPGs did (FFIV-VII, Chrono Trigger, etc.) I guess it's probably since Monolith Soft is made up of employees from Squaresoft that it has that same feeling to me.

I'm not as interested in it as I used to be. KHI and KHII will always be two of my favorite games of all time, but I feel like they lost the magic after that. They're still fun, but every game after CoM felt insanely easy to me (with the exception of DDD), and the series lost the strategy that made me love the first so much. The convoluted plot, insane retcons, and numerous pointless characters have also really bugged me. I'll still get KHIII when it's released, but I'm just not feeling it anymore.

 

 

The way I see it, Xenoblade's the new big JRPG these days. I know it doesn't have the recognition that most others do, but I feel like it's a lot more interesting, and still has the same feel that a lot of the older JRPGs did (FFIV-VII, Chrono Trigger, etc.) I guess it's probably since Monolith Soft is made up of employees from Squaresoft that it has that same feeling to me.

I guess you could say Sora needs to be "really feeling it" ^_^

 

As for pointless characters,can I say that the BBS trio is among them ?

Edited November 3, 201410 yr by Smash Mega Koopa

I guess you could say Sora needs to be "really feeling it" ^_^

 

As for pointless characters,can I say that the BBS trio is among them ?

I didn't have much of a problem with the BBS trio (Aside from Terra, he pissed me off. Ven got annoying on occasion, too), my issue is mostly with Xion and most of the Organization. You know a character is bad when even Nomura erases her presence in the series, and about half of the Organization felt like they were along for the ride. I mean, they had their goals, but still felt like generic villains. Most of them didn't leave any sort of impact on my, which sucked. Going back to Xenoblade, I found the villains in that much more interesting. I won't spoil anything, but the villains did leave an impression, and were well developed.

 

Also, I felt like the protagonists in KH all have pretty much the same motive at this point: Save the worlds. I mean, yeah, that's not a bad motive, but we need something more original. In Xenoblade (I'm going to be criticized so much for referring to this so often), all of the protagonists had their own reasons for fighting, and they weren't afraid to admit that they fought for revenge. Sure, most wanted revenge, but they each had personal reasons to fight, too. I feel like a good revenge story is often seen as dark or stupid, though Xenoblade proved they can be really well done.

 

Another example is FF6. Every single character had their own personality and motives, which made it really interesting. There was the pawn of the empire, the man who faced the suffering the empire caused, the general who was betrayed.., Everyone was a lot more interesting, and I loved that. The generic "Save the world because it's good to do" motive got old in KH.

I didn't have much of a problem with the BBS trio (Aside from Terra, he pissed me off. Ven got annoying on occasion, too), my issue is mostly with Xion and most of the Organization. You know a character is bad when even Nomura erases her presence in the series, and about half of the Organization felt like they were along for the ride. I mean, they had their goals, but still felt like generic villains. Most of them didn't leave any sort of impact on my, which sucked. Going back to Xenoblade, I found the villains in that much more interesting. I won't spoil anything, but the villains did leave an impression, and were well developed.

 

Also, I felt like the protagonists in KH all have pretty much the same motive at this point: Save the worlds. I mean, yeah, that's not a bad motive, but we need something more original. In Xenoblade (I'm going to be criticized so much for referring to this so often), all of the protagonists had their own reasons for fighting, and they weren't afraid to admit that they fought for revenge. Sure, most wanted revenge, but they each had personal reasons to fight, too. I feel like a good revenge story is often seen as dark or stupid, though Xenoblade proved they can be really well done.

 

Another example is FF6. Every single character had their own personality and motives, which made it really interesting. There was the pawn of the empire, the man who faced the suffering the empire caused, the general who was betrayed.., Everyone was a lot more interesting, and I loved that. The generic "Save the world because it's good to do" motive got old in KH.

While I kinda like Xion I agree on the rest of the Organization mainly every member after Axel

 

Demyx,Luxord,Larxene and Marluxia barely had any reason to exist in this plot heck we haven't even seen their human selves yet.They felt like they were just there so Nomura can fullfill his wish of having the Number 13 being a prominent number in the series

 

And no I won't criticize you for referring to Xenoblade cuz that game was so well done and deserves more recognition 

 

And I totally agree with the FF6 characters.Despite the fact that you're controlling over 14 different characters,almost everyone(with the exception of Mog,Umaro and Gogo) have their own unique personalities and different goals and reasons to fight the tyranny of the Gestahl empire and  Kefka and I absolutely loved that and it's one of the reasons why FF6 is my favorite game ^_^

Edited November 3, 201410 yr by Smash Mega Koopa