we required to learn belifs such as that we come from monkeys or or the big bang theory and such. our schools are fun on a belief system.if ''evelotion'' is requried to teach why cant the schools allow reilgion as well?

Some schools do teach creationism.

Because scientific approaches are neutral, and teaching religion isn't neutral at all.

Evolution has been pretty much proven. It is not a belief system or a theory anymore, it is fact. You can accept that or not but it won't change the fact that it's true. Besides, why should schools teach religious beliefs when churches, synagogs, mosks and other such places of worship already do?

Edited May 17, 201312 yr by Sora_Kuno

Probably because to accept that beginning you have to accept the entire thing.The problem there is, the entire Christian, Catholic and Morman First Testament is literally the same in full to both the Islamic Qu'ran and the Jewish Torah. So... which should we be teaching, since they're all identical, word for word, with that creation story?What if I can agree that the Big Bang happened, but disagree on when and how fast it happened, and just say that God caused it? It's not really that hard. erWhat we're left with is the best excuse we can muster, because people can accept parts of those scientific theories without needing to believe the full thing, either. We've literally seen evolution in action with the domestication of dogs. We kind of created the Pomeranian and the Chihuahua, you know? You could easily just say that's how God made all of things, over time. In the beginning, there were just a lot less things. We don't have to believe we came from monkeys, we don't have to believe in ridiculous extremes, to accept things change over time and adapt to their surroundings. Things we're taught in school are mostly left to compliment what religion is already handing us, regardless of which particular offshoot it is.* edit *Not that I wouldn't like to see a school system where we're taught religion that isn't strictly one specific telling. As I stated above, those religions all have the same root, and the same God, even if by a different word, considering the difference in language. Wouldn't it be interesting to be taught the stories all Abrahamic religions have in elementary school, have all the values they share enforced on us in middle school, and be left to study and choose what we believe after that in the same way we choose electives (hmm... art... or band....... video production? sweet!)?The problem there is, none of the above religions get along very well on a group level, even if individuals can be friends. Christians are bothered by the Catholic over-representation of Mary and the Pope, Jews are bothered by the idea of Christ in general, and the Muslims have a completely different prophet. Then we have the Mormans, who believed ancient Jews sailed to America and were greeted by Christ during his three day death period. I'm sure there are lots of tiny little sects with even more additional details. I'd love to learn them all and take them with a grain of salt, but you're not allowed to be all of the above. That's not cool with any of them.So we keep religion out of school mostly to keep from starting the next world war over a playground vendetta against two nine year olds with different beliefs stemming from the same origin story.

Edited May 17, 201312 yr by ssceles

First of all, you can teach religion in schools.  What you can't do is make everyone say your prayer to your God or gods or preach  If you want that you go to church/temple/a place of worship.  Second, School is about learning facts.  Natural selection is a fact.  Creation is a belief and should be taught as such, not as fact.  There's a place for that kind of teaching, there's a place called Sunday School.  Third, isn't it wrong to just ram your beliefs on others who don't have the same beliefs as you?  People should be able to believe what they want.

Well there's different kinds of religions and since  public schools have different kinds of people it's not going to be entirely easy to teach all their religions and it certainly wouldn't be right to just teach one religion to everyone.Also, like Sora_Kuno said, there's already religious establishments set up for teaching religion so there's not much need to do so in school.If you live in a country where a certain religion is in the majority then it's logical to teach that religion in schools and students who don't follow those beliefs can simply opt out. (I live in a country where there's one religion in majority so I've pretty much seen all this)

  Third, isn't it wrong to just ram your beliefs on others who don't have the same beliefs as you?  People should be able to believe what they want.

thats what i mean.the schools make us learn this stuff and have it a requriement.istn tht the same as ramming there beliefs on us?

thats what i mean.the schools make us learn this stuff and have it a requriement.istn tht the same as ramming there beliefs on us?

But it's a proven fact.

we required to learn belifs such as that we come from monkeys or or the big bang theory and such. our schools are fun on a belief system.if ''evelotion'' is requried to teach why cant the schools allow reilgion as well?

Also

Edited May 17, 201312 yr by jjennway

But it's a proven fact.

what im trying to say is.those who dont belive it are required to learn it in school.its the same both ways. ex:forcing religion on students  who dont belive in religion or those who belive in reilgion and frocing eveltion on them

what im trying to say is.those who dont belive it are required to learn it in school.its the same both ways. ex:forcing religion on students  who dont belive in religion or those who belive in reilgion and frocing eveltion on them

I could go on, but I'm not going to as I will be stepping on some toes.

thats what i mean.the schools make us learn this stuff and have it a requriement.istn tht the same as ramming there beliefs on us?

Science isn't a belief. So you're not really "ramming their beliefs" on people

I could go on, but I'm not going to as I will be stepping on some toes.

yeah dont want i wanna huge arguement to break out

yeah dont want i wanna huge arguement to break out

I get where you're coming from ,but you mentioned religion on the internet what did you think would happen?

Edited May 17, 201312 yr by jjennway

You mentioned religion on the internet what did you think would happen?

ik ik. to tell the truth this is for a school persuasive essay and i thought to post my topic here and a big part of my essay has been laid out for me ^^

ik ik. to tell the truth this is for a school persuasive essay and i thought to post my topic here and a big part of my essay has been laid out for me ^^

Just because they're required to learn it doesn't mean they need to believe in it.  They can study the material for the sake of the grade but otherwise tune it out completely while they focus on what they do believe in.  It's there to teach science and it can't force religious people to internalize the information anymore than the church can force non-religious people to internalize their information.  Granted, one's required and the other isn't, but like I said, study it then ignore it.

1.  There are multiple religions, most public schools couldn't afford to host a buddhist class, a muslim class, a Jewish class, all the many branches of Christianity including protestant, catholic, orthodox, evangel to name a few.  

 

2. Evolution is proven, studied with scientific facts to back it up.  Religious teachings are all about blind faith and the individuals belief, and tying with the first point it'd be unfair to try and force christian beliefs for example onto a Muslim.   Any neutral party can learn about a religion they don't particularly believe in and would merely be bored at worst, but it's plain offensive to force that religious view on someone who has a different religion.  

 

Some students chose to blank evolution because of how close minded they were brought up.  But it's a fact.  It's observable in cases such as the Moths case in England where light coloured moths changed colour to be darker so they could blend in with the trees that were being stained from pollution.

 

3. There are religious specific schools that will teach that sort of stuff, I myself have attended Catholic school since I was a child (and will be moving into a Neutral university in September having completed my education).  I learnt about Creationism in Religion (a mandatory GCSE, of which elsewhere in the country is not mandatory in non-religious schools) and evolution in my Double Award science class.  

A number of religious teachers (not those who teach religion, though she is included, but those who themself follow a faith) in my school have chosen to believe a mixture of both since they won't deny facts like some blind people do.  

They believe that evolution occurred but it was designed by one supernatural being, a god.  Any family who wants their kids to grow up with that belief should send their kids to those schools instead of complaining about Public schools that teach a variety of kids from different backgrounds and cultures proving something that is unproven, and some religious scholars themselves don't believe it thinking it was a purely metaphorical story like the Nativity scene.

 

4. Currently in this economic climate jobs are more abundant in the STEM subjects, Science, Technology, Engineering and Math.  Schools have to prepare children for the future so they are able to get a job instead of living off benefits, Religion wouldn't offer the opportunities STEM subjects would simply because there isn't a high demand for it.

 

 

The end.  If only Pearse was here.  He's a religion major who's an atheist.  

Just because they're required to learn it doesn't mean they need to believe in it.  They can study the material for the sake of the grade but otherwise tune it out completely while they focus on what they do believe in.  It's there to teach science and it can't force religious people to internalize the information anymore than the church can force non-religious people to internalize their information.  Granted, one's required and the other isn't, but like I said, study it then ignore it.

pertty much what i do.

Just because they're required to learn it doesn't mean they need to believe in it.  They can study the material for the sake of the grade but otherwise tune it out completely while they focus on what they do believe in.  It's there to teach science and it can't force religious people to internalize the information anymore than the church can force non-religious people to internalize their information.  Granted, one's required and the other isn't, but like I said, study it then ignore it.

 

Perfection right here.  

inb4shitstormabout religion

 

Some schools DO do that though

The universe was created and continues to be controlled by aliens.  End of story.

Is that what they do in schools now?

to be honest because its netrual

Unlike what I've seen many post in this thread, calling evolution a fact is scientifically misleading. Technically it is still called a theory.